To Gri Gri, or not to Gri Gri?
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I went back a ways in the archives and couldn't find a thread about this, so here it goes. I bought a Gri Gri 2 the other day and took it out for a day in Little Cottonwood Canyon. Overall, I liked it, I am still trying to figure out how to pay out slack quickly (with the whole hold the cam down with your brake-hand thumb thing) but I am still not sold on if it was worth the investment. |
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super useful for aid climbing, can be used as a solo device and makes the 3 hour aid leads way easier on the belayer. |
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Keenan Waeschle wrote:less chance of being dropped by your belayer, don't really have to pay attention to the climber.You dont know what you are talking about.... and I feel bad for whoever you are belaying! You should be paying attention to your climber no matter what belay device you choose to use. Were you belaying kel? |
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I really like using the grigri, I think it has a lot of functionality for multipitch rock climbing. I've written a bit about different uses, like shortfixing and simuling, on my blog. |
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Keenan Waeschle wrote: don't really have to pay attention to the climber. get itDo NOT listen to this. |
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but what if they have a fat ass? |
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A little tip on paying out slack, you dont have to touch the cam. I have the 1st gen. grigri, but I dont see why it wouldnt work with GG2. simply hold the nose down, and yard out as much rope as you need to. As long as the nose is pointed downwards, the cam wont engage, and short rope your partner, and you keep your mitts away from cam. |
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I LOVE THE GRI GRI!! Best belay device ever invented. |
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I LOVE THE GRI GRI!! Best belay device ever invented. |
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I bought my GriGri for big wall belays (no, you can't watch the leader the entire time. period), and for solo aiding (much better than a clove hitch). |
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Keenan Waeschle wrote: don't really have to pay attention to the climber. get itWow, the exact reason I refuse to be belayed by anyone I don't know well with a gri gri. How many times do I need to see someone at the crag ogling the hot chick next door or having a discussion with their buds while belaying with one of these things. The gri gri breeds inattentiveness. Worried about rocks falling and knocking you out? Wear a helmet while you belay and pay attention. |
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Keenan Waeschle wrote: less chance of being dropped by your belayer, don't really have to pay attention to the climber. get itFuck me. That hurt. My panties bunched up so fast when I read this that I blew a testicle. This statement is wrong in so many ways. Many people have been dropped by belayers with gri gris for all kinds of reasons. |
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Andrewprime1 wrote:I went back a ways in the archives and couldn't find a thread about this, so here it goes. I bought a Gri Gri 2 the other day and took it out for a day in Little Cottonwood Canyon. Overall, I liked it, I am still trying to figure out how to pay out slack quickly (with the whole hold the cam down with your brake-hand thumb thing) but I am still not sold on if it was worth the investment. The guys at IME told me a bunch of cool things you can do with them, like as a backup when you are jugging, or simul-rapping if your partner also has one (which I know is not technically "acceptable use") I like the increased safety aspect, but I never really felt unsafe using an ATC. Overall it seems like a fancy toy that I don't know if I need or not. So what do you guys think? Who here uses one and why or why not?Auto-locking is the way to go. I've experienced both belaying with and being belayed by ATCs on projects, and not having auto-lock just makes the experience pretty unpleasant, even if you don't have to resort to full out boinking. |
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johnL wrote:His comment was in reference to long aid leads, calm down.Because I am sure the OP is going to be doing an multi hour aid lead real soon.... Either way I don't think it is ever a good idea to "not pay attention to the climber" as keenan put it. I am pretty sure hour long aid belays are not one of the primary uses of grigris anyway.... |
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I work at a gym and we don't allow Gri Gri's because people tend to get in more accidents with them. They provide a false sense of security that ends up getting people hurt. |
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Gri gri 2 is the way to go most the time, getting comfortable feeding just takes a little bit of practice. Definitely safer on multi-pitch. Simul -rapping saves a ton of time on long descents as well. |
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Taylor Ogden wrote: I own a Gri Gri 2 and I'll pull it out when I'm doing a lot of belaying on top rope, but if I'm belaying someone on something tough, I much prefer my ATC.If its tough and someone is hanging a lot it is much easier to hold them using a gri gri than ATC. Not to mention when used properly I think its a safer device than an ATC. Of course any device used improperly, ATC included, is going to be dangerous. But if my buddy is going to be doing a hard climb I always reach for the gri gri. |
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Don't get me wrong guys, I am no gumby (or a troll, so calm down Old Custer). The Gri Gri should be used just like any belay device: that is with constant attention being paid to the climber. It is nice to have the backup just in case your attention slips, but I see new climbers drooling over the fucking things and it makes me nervous... I'm glad Rockreation doesn't allow them Taylor - I wouldn't trust just anyone belaying me with one. |
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Taylor Ogden wrote:I work at a gym and we don't allow Gri Gri's because people tend to get in more accidents with them. They provide a false sense of security that ends up getting people hurt. Now don't get me wrong, I don't think they are terrible devices, people just frequently fail to understand how to use them properly. I own a Gri Gri 2 and I'll pull it out when I'm doing a lot of belaying on top rope, but if I'm belaying someone on something tough, I much prefer my ATC.Every gym has its arbitrary "safety features" but disqualifying a perfectly valid belay device is small-minded at best. Andrewprime1 wrote:Don't get me wrong guys, I am no gumby (or a troll, so calm down Old Custer).I didn't say you were a troll. It's just a bit of a late and ridiculous debate to my mind. Carry on with the ground breaking research though. |
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Yeah haters gonna hate, but I'll submit my recommendation for those who wan't some auto locking action... |
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Old Custer wrote: Feel free to carry on though while I point and laugh ;).I think it goes ... "Keep Calm and Climb On" |