The Sand People 

Does this route have quick clips or anything at the top?

i forget but i think you use the anchor for Darth Vadar...

That is what I suspected...

It's now bolted. Cold shuts at the top, I think.

really... seriously... well i hope people use it cause its a great route but it didnt need bolts... it needed a slightly steady nerve...

just noticed this route, (because of bolts) thought it remained a spicy route (the third bolt is well above the second) i thought it was excellent maybe one day i'll do it on gear!

Tim Kemple Sr. bolted it about 2 or 3 weeks ago.

Hey Lee you should change it to Trad/Sport

changed it...

Climbed the bolted version of this today... It seemed no safer on bolts than on gear... The run out between the 2nd and 3rd bolts seemed like a groundfall waiting to happen... i hope someone can add a bolt between those two for the sake of the moderate climber...

Lee is there any gear between 2nd and 3rd bolt to fill in that gap? ie 1-2 pieces to bring in case it doesnt get a new bolt?

maybe something off to the left but that would defeat the purpose of retro-bolting a route right haha... the route was fine and fun the way it was...

I did this route last weekend and I thought the bolts were fine. You are on jugs while doing the "run out". If you can manage the start, I don't see how you could fall unless struck by a tree. I heard second hand that Tim was dealing with rock quality issues. That is why he put the bolts where he did

The start is especially tricky and technical for the grade, but safe.
Jugs and more jugs in the runout section between 2nd and 3rd bolt.
Start felt 5.9-ish to me.

Climbed this route on June 4, 2011. Not sure if the third bolt was missing or not (my first time on this route). It didn't seem overly run out. I remember 4 bolts and chains for anchors. Some people have mentioned they think there are lower offs at the top, there are not (I bumped my back in to a nice pointy rock repelling down about 2 feet off the ground).

All in all, a fun route. The difficulty is all in your head, though. Everything under the second bolt is very exposed and can give the shakes to a climber who doesn't trust their feet or their balance. The first bolt can be clipped by hand from the starting ledge unless you are particularly short (the bolt is maybe 7 feet up).

Looked at this route on the hike up to Jimmy yesterday and was really surprised at the run out between the second and third bolts. I remember reading about it here on MP but didn't imagine it to be quite as big as it actually is. Sure it looks like easy climbing with a nice ledge and everything but it looks like a disaster waiting to happen for a beginning to intermediate leader who might be looking for another moderate climb while waiting on the line of people down below at Yoda or Obi-Won. It's not exactly the cleanest landing down below.

Sure it is a big runout but it is 5.5 or 5.6 between the 2nd and third bolt. IMO, the crux is the start. If a leader can get through that cleanly, the runout should be no problem as long as he/she can keep it together on easy ground.

Yeah, I know it's easy climbing but ya never know, we all make mistakes. I'd just hate to make that mistake. My post is by no means meant to keep people off the route. I plan on jumping on it myself pretty soon. Just an observation..

There was a hole drilled in that run out but no bolt was placed... we should just toss one more in...

the rock seems fine but im not gonna go adding bolts to another persons route... i liked it better as a trad route anyway...

Update on my previous comments...I finally climbed it, you certainly woudn't wanna fall there but the climbing was so moderate that before i knew it the bolt was right in front of me. it wasn't really a problem. fun little climb for sure

Glad it all worked out for you, M.