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The Phallacy of Symbolism 

5.11d

   
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Type: TR
Consensus: 5.11d [details]
FA: DLFA
Submitted By: Doug Hemken on Oct 21, 2005

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Description 

A variation on Great White Hope.

In the middle of the route, stick to the seam instead of wandering right to the big ledges.


Protection 

You can't reach Birthday Crack to protect this one!



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By Jay Knower
Administrator
From: Plymouth, NH
Oct 26, 2005

To be fair to those who did the first ascent of Great White Hope, this "route" should be listed as a variation, and not as an entirely new line.

Hey, I climbed Acid Rock once without using the crouton foothold. Does that mean I can name my variation and post it on this site?

By Pete Arndt
Dec 1, 2005

I would agree with Jay on this one.

By Chest Rockwell
From: Lodi, WI
Feb 26, 2007

Wow, if this isn't the epitome of contrived at DL then I don't know what is. This route listing should be deleted for reasons of pure lameness.

By Doug Hemken
Administrator
Oct 26, 2007

Thank goodness you three are here! At last we have someone who can make sense of the Rules on Naming Routes at the Lake!

Here are a few examples for your explication:
Sometime Crack
Sometime Direct

The End
The End Direct
The End of the End

Upper Diagonal
Flake Route
Angle of the Dangle

Lower Diagonal
The Trick

Ironmongers
Ironmongers Super Direct

Fantasy
Weasels Ripped My Flesh

Chiaroscuro Direct (aka The H)

Callipigenous
Callipigenous Direct

Flatus
Flatus Direct
Flatus Triple Direct

I could go on, but you get the idea! Does it feel like we're naming boulder problems and not Serious Routes? Decades ago John Gill observed that top-roping and bouldering are really the same climbing form, at least in a purely gymnastic sense. Consciously or not, all the top-roping we do around here has made its mark on how we look at and name these rocks. It's a little late to establish some other basis for naming routes. You would have to change how most people spend their time climbing in order to make your new view of the rocks stick.

The day we did the variation described above, we were having a lot of fun. As people often do, I thought I would give a name to our fun, and share it with others who might be interested. If you don't find it interesting or fun, you are welcome to ignore it. Or are you telling me that you would rather I just didn't share? What is the point of MountainProject, again?

I suppose that what set you three off might be the credit I gave to some friends for the "FRA ????" Many people feel that it is impossible to do anything new at the Lake, and many more feel that only the Lake's leading lights are capable of something new and hard. I would suggest that the fun you can create is limited by your imagination, and there are more people around here who enjoy exercising their imagination than you think.

You guys take your climbing a little too Seriously, I think.

By richard bechler
Oct 29, 2007

This route has been done often. But I like the name.

By Doug Hemken
Administrator
Oct 29, 2007

I thought the name was appropriate on a number of levels. Rich, I'm surprised y'all didn't just lead this.