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By Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Oct 19, 2012
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Pea...
Darren in Vegas wrote:
Red Rock is $30/year. Not sure what an annual pass to the Mohonk Preserve is, but $30 is cheap.


A Mohonk Preserve annual pass is about $90.

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By Wayne Crill
From an Altered State
Oct 19, 2012
pilon fracture
Yes I believe it was $85 when I was just there end of September, BIG FUN fo sure!

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By Miike
From MA/CT border
Oct 19, 2012
my foot
Jon Moen wrote:
One thing that really dissapoints me about the climbing community is how climbers think nothing of driving 4 hours each way to get to a crag, blowing at least $50 on gas for the weekend, but then piss and moan when asked to contribute financially to the upkeep of the climbing area that they did all that driving to visit.


love this post!

I'm all for new places and new climbs but if you live and climb in the west the only real attractions in the east are the Gunks and SE sandstone, everything else is puny, chossy and crowded comparatively.

flame on


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By Nathan Stokes
Oct 19, 2012
Its raining and I haven't climbed enough this year so I'll bite:

Wallface, Poke-O-Moonshine, Whitehorse, Cathedral Ledge, The N Face of Gothics are puny and or chossy? I suppose you can also lump the Lakes district and Ben Nevis into the chossy category also.

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By Alex Mitchell
From Cincinnati, OH
Oct 19, 2012
Me Climbing
fair weather climber wrote:
love this post! I'm all for new places and new climbs but if you live and climb in the west the only real attractions in the east are the Gunks and SE sandstone, everything else is puny, chossy and crowded comparatively. flame on


Your so right everything else is pure choss!! Stay at the Gunks! ;)

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By camhead
From Vandalia, Appalachia
Oct 19, 2012
You stay away from mah pig!
[warning: elitism ahead!]

My favorite thing about the Gunks is if you lead harder than 5.10, you'll almost never wait in line for anything. Try that at Indian Creek.

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By rogerbenton
Oct 19, 2012
Whoever this guy is, he's just plain irresponsible...
$90 a year to climb at the gunks is a no brainer. for that you get convenient parking for a quick approach, well kept carriage roads and access trails to the routes, a bathroom, trash receptacles, rangers and first aid close by in case of emergency and most importantly an entity that will strive to maintain the area as is for as long as possible, creating security for climbers. yes it's probably way steeper than most areas but in the grand scheme it's a pittance. we've all probably spent more on superflous gear.

and with at least 6 other crags, not being allowed to climb at skytop is a lame reason to bag on the gunks.

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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Oct 19, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "...
Andy Laakmann wrote:
Thinking they might be on next October's agenda! Although I could come back here for another week. So much to do!


If you do, I can point you to effectivly "endless" good routes of any given style of trad. And sport beta in the Red should be easy to come by without any help.

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By AdamB
From Chattanooga, TN
Oct 19, 2012
Black Boulder Problem, sent after a generous skin ...
No climbing east of the rockies! Im a NY native that moved to California 4 years ago and have been dying to get back east ever since. The volume of rock is now where near as much back east, but the quality surpasses everywhere I've been in CA, and i've been to alot of spots. Happily re-re-locating to Charlotte at the end of the month, can't WAIT to get back on east coast rock.

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By "H"
From Manitou Springs
Oct 19, 2012
Axes glistening in the sun
I remember when it was $5 weekdays and $7 on the weekends and you could camp out on a little road just before the hairpin. We used to get up early and have 3 -4 climbs in by noon when most other people were getting there. Love the climbing there, don't miss the crowds and the attitudes of some of the climbers.

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By rgold
From Poughkeepsie, NY
Oct 19, 2012
The traverse out to the Yellow Ridge on the Dogsti...
What a Gunks day pass gets you:































Or, for the same price, you can choose instead







What a dilemma!

Please consider diverting your hard-earned funds from exorbitant Gunks day passes to a few hours in chalked-filled gym instead. We don't need more people out at the crags anyway.

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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Oct 19, 2012
Colonel Mustard
Not accurate, rgold. For instance, I pay $40 a month for hundreds of hours of access to a gym and a smidgen of gas money, while climbing outside will cost more in gas money per month. But usually without fees where I live. If I had to pay $17 to get to my regular climbing areas, that would add a substantial amount to the cost of climbing.

But climbing outdoors is much nicer, I do agree with you there. I would frown while paying the fee though. Heck, it's close to the $20 in fees you pay at Yosemite, unarguably a much, much loftier climbing subject.

But I don't have to rationalize paying $17 fee for climbing either.

Let's say I'm doing two days a week at the gym for $40 a month. That comes out to $5 a visit, and less than a half gallon in gas (~$2). So, $7 to visit the gym per visit, versus paying several hours worth of gas and topping it off with $17.

Again, I'd rather be climbing outside by all means, but that is still a significant amount for many people.

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By Bob M
From Alpharetta, GA
Oct 19, 2012
T Wall
There's no climbing in the southeast. Nothing to see here. Please move along.

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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Oct 19, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "...
Lets be real.
Gunks = $17/day, $100/year.
Colorado State Parks $7/day, $70/year.
National Parks Pass $?/day (depends), $80/year.

And when you are the only game in town, the prices escalate.
Yeah, they are profiting. I1 year pass is about what a lift ticket and lunch costs skiing.

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By Darren in Vegas
From Las Vegas, NV
Oct 19, 2012
Skiing around.
Colonel Mustard wrote:
It's close to the $20 in fees you pay at Yosemite...

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm under the impression that $20 gets you a week.

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By caughtinside
From Oakland CA
Oct 19, 2012
Is the Gunks the most expensive place to climb for one day in the US?

National Parks are more, but the entry is good for one week. A year pass at most parks is 2x the one time fee.

What is the cost of a Gunks annual pass?

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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Oct 19, 2012
Colonel Mustard
Darren in Vegas wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm under the impression that $20 gets you a week.


Heh. Yes, it's a better deal than I remembered. Joshua Tree too. I mean, isn't Joshua Tree the analogue to the Gunks? I've not been to the Gunks, but laying the facts of the two areas, I know it doesn't compare to Yosemite. Joshua Tree sounds more like the analogous area.

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By JCM
From Seattle, WA
Oct 19, 2012
Colonel Mustard wrote:
Let's say I'm doing two days a week at the gym for $40 a month. That comes out to $5 a visit, and less than a half gallon in gas (~$2). So, $7 to visit the gym per visit, versus paying several hours worth of gas and topping it off with $17. Again, I'd rather be climbing outside by all means, but that is still a significant amount for many people.



Mind you, anyone visiting the Gunks regulaly will shell out the $80 (is that how much it costs now) for the annual pass. If you live in the region and go there somewhat regularly, lets say 40 days per year, that $80 suddenly becomes a very reasonable $2 per climbing day.

Really, the only people affected by the $17 fee are non locals who only visit once or twice a year. No one is paying $17 every time they go climbing.

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By JCM
From Seattle, WA
Oct 19, 2012
Colonel Mustard wrote:
I mean, isn't Joshua Tree the analogue to the Gunks? I've not been to the Gunks, but laying the facts of the two areas, I know it doesn't compare to Yosemite. Joshua Tree sounds more like the analogous area.


The quality of the rock and of the climbing in the Gunks is several orders of magnitude better than that at Joshua Tree. Not even in the same universe.

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By Wayne Crill
From an Altered State
Oct 19, 2012
pilon fracture
Colonel Mustard your addition doesn't add up, you are comparing apples to oranges.

RGold was comparing day passes to day passes.

$17 a day is similar to most day gym passes.

A YEAR of climbing at the gunks is $85. How muchy is a year of climbing at your gym?

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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Oct 19, 2012
Colonel Mustard
Jon Moen wrote:
Mind you, anyone visiting the Gunks regulaly will shell out the $80 (is that how much it costs now) for the annual pass. If you live in the region and go there somewhat regularly, lets say 40 days per year, that $80 suddenly becomes a very reasonable $2 per climbing day. Really, the only people affected by the $17 fee are non locals who only visit once or twice a year. No one is paying $17 every time they go climbing.


I don't think that works out with the substantial amount we pay for gas. And that's 40 visits per year! I don't buy that's the average amount of visits per climber, but whatever. Say for the NY City climber, you have 170 miles of driving (about 3 hours), that's around $30 in gasoline you're spending and adding to your $2/40 visit fee. The gym is much cheaper. Apples 'n oranges.

A federal parks pass also costs $80 per year and grants access a whole nation's worth of parks. I know those who go regularly have to rationalize the cost, but even you guys are still getting ripped off. Sorry to point out that inconvenient fact.

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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Oct 19, 2012
Colonel Mustard
Wayne Crill wrote:
Colonel Mustard your addition diesn't add up, you are comparing apples to oranges. RGold was comparing day passes to day passes. A YEAR of climbing at the gunks is $85. How muchy is a year of climbing at your gym?


Only gumbies pay a day pass at the gym. And Rgold is comparing apples and oranges. $85 gets you into the best climbing in the world, not just the East Coast. Sorry, sometimes the gold man is fallible as well.

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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Oct 19, 2012
Colonel Mustard
Jon Moen wrote:
The quality of the rock and of the climbing in the Gunks is several orders of magnitude better than that at Joshua Tree. Not even in the same universe.


Hehehe... this is awesome. Talk about apples 'n oranges in climbing styles alone. I like that you've cleared up the overhanging versus crack debate in one fell swoop though! As well as God's favored rock! Wow!

You ignore the Yosemite comparison entirely though.

I paid $3 for a camping pass to go the Incredible Hulk this summer, which I assure you makes the Gunks look like a piece of playground equipment.

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By JCM
From Seattle, WA
Oct 19, 2012
Colonel Mustard wrote:
Say for the NY City climber, you have 170 miles of driving (about 3 hours), that's around $30 in gasoline you're spending and adding to your $2/40 visit fee.


You just echoed my original point, that started this whole shooting match: It is really unfortunate that climbers will willingly give $30 to Exxon or Chevron every time they go climbing, but grumble about having to contribute a few dollars per climbing day to keep the area that they enjoy so much in good working order.

This is all that I am saying.

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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Oct 19, 2012
Colonel Mustard
Jon Moen wrote:
You just echoed my original point, that started this whole shooting match: It is really unfortunate that climbers will willingly give $30 to Exxon or Chevron every time they go climbing, but grumble about having to contribute a few dollars per climbing day to keep the area that they enjoy so much in good working order. Also: 40 climbing days/year at your home crag isn't that much. Any self-respecting climber should hit at least twice that.


Definitions of what a self respecting climber is to boot!

There are still much better deals in climbing, buckaroo. Straight facts.

I'll admit, if I lived in the area, I'd probably pay the fee and justify it too! That's human nature, and I'm a trad climber by preference, so I'd have just as many reasons as you do.

And your figure of 80 days of climbing at whatever the local crag means you're doing 1.5 days a week at the Gunks every week of the year. Whatever that means. So, we should be logging 80 days at a single crag to respect ourselves? I have no idea how many days I spend out there a year, but 80 days at one crag is a failure in my book. And I don't think the average climber spends a day or two days every week climbing out doors.

The funny part for me is I'd very much like to climb at the Gunks. I'm sure I will in the next coupla years, so I'll be ponying up my $17 like a true gumby. Cheers ya crazy duh Gunx duh Gunx duh Gunx climbers!

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