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Jan 9, 2013
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+1 to getting this thread back to conditions and away from ethics & etiquette. Cale Hoopes
From Sammamish, WA
Joined Nov 23, 2012
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Jan 9, 2013
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Cale Hoopes wrote:
+1 to getting this thread back to conditions and away from ethics & etiquette.


Ethics and Etiquette are what ice climbers talk about when there are no ice conditions to report.
Tits McGee
From Boulder, CO
Joined Apr 23, 2008
300 points
Jan 9, 2013
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Cale Hoopes wrote:
+1 to getting this thread back to conditions and away from ethics & etiquette.
coop
From Glenwood Springs, CO
Joined Jan 25, 2005
556 points
Jan 9, 2013
Rock Climbing Photo: Base of the Black Wall pitch on the Direct Exum
Rock Climbing Photo: Firehouse Right, 01/05/2013.
Firehouse Right, 01/05/2013.

Thought I would upload a photo from the Firehouse Area from Saturday. Firehouse Pillar is not in yet. Lowe Gravity has not touched down but Eastern Xpansion has and the two can be connected across the bolted traverse. '2nd Leftmost' is covered with smear ice to the bottom 6'. East of West was fully in and West of East was plastic on top. We did not visit Staircase or RD amphitheater but the reports were that they were a zoo, and very thin for this time of year.
Ted Eliason
From Westminster, CO
Joined Jun 16, 2009
523 points
Jan 10, 2013
We climbed Martha yesterday (January 9th 2013). No ice on p4 and thin is on the p5 crux. A very fun outing either way. The snow was very soft and spring like. Due to the warm temps it felt like we were climbing in May.

Rock Climbing Photo: Peter Holben cruising up the middle of the couloir...
Peter Holben cruising up the middle of the couloir.


Rock Climbing Photo: Finishing up the crux section near the top of the ...
Finishing up the crux section near the top of the climb.
Andrew McLean
From Colorado
Joined Oct 16, 2006
395 points
Jan 10, 2013
Rock Climbing Photo: Just after pulling the roof on pitch two of Anthil...
Scott McMahon wrote:
Not to get terribly off tangent, but it's a tough call on the whole TR / Leading ice conversation. There is a massive influx of ice climbers on the front range, and quite a bit of them are at the far end beginners, lacking in the basic ethic and skill sets. I'm not sure if it's crossing over from a sport climbing ethos, but as Tits said their is quite a bit of BS now. This obviously includes throwing ropes down on leaders, poor "ice management" aka dangerous behavior and a general sh*tty attitude by people that want to sleep in and still TR everything. Toss in "guides" that bring groups of 8-12 up to extremely limited resources (i.e. Hidden falls..really?) and it's a real sh*tshow. It just seems that across the board there is a real sense of ice entitlement, just to give it a name. I'm not a great leader by any means so I do my far share of TRing, so my opinion isn't to call anyone out. I guess I'm lucky that the people I've climbed with in general had that wake up early and earn your climb mentality. Of course this is just the interweb, but hopefully some of the the people leading beginners out to learn the ice game can pass down some of the more old school ethics. I think it's too late to stop the hoards and it's not up to us to say who can climb what; however it's not too late to show new climbers a better way to go about it. IMHO...


I was just asking about the descent/climb to get up there without leading. I do lead. Ice and trad. Trad for three years and this is my first year to lead ice. I've been climbing ice for three years and the people who taught me have been doing it almost ten. I get up at 430 in the morning and get to my climb by 8 usually, with my big boy pants on and a full set of good manners and very legit anchor building skills. I just don't want to bite off more than I can chew on lead but I do want to climb whatever I can. I would never rappel down on someone or drop a rop or ice on someone from the top of a climb(unless I'm climbing and ice comes down naturally). I'm sure all you MTN Project die hard forum hardasses who somehow have tons of time to dick around on online forums instead of climb all started out leading WI 4 so you never had this problem. Maybe one of you should start a how to be a badass forum so I can waste time reading it instead of climbing and learn myself a thing or two.
Justin Deal
From Denver, CO
Joined Mar 15, 2010
33 points
Jan 10, 2013
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Justin Deal wrote:
I was just asking about the descent/climb to get up there without leading. I do lead. Ice and trad. Trad for three years and this is my first year to lead ice. I've been climbing ice for three years and the people who taught me have been doing it almost ten. I get up at 430 in the morning and get to my climb by 8 usually, with my big boy pants on and a full set of good manners and very legit anchor building skills. I just don't want to bite off more than I can chew on lead but I do want to climb whatever I can. I would never rappel down on someone or drop a rop or ice on someone from the top of a climb(unless I'm climbing and ice comes down naturally). I'm sure all you MTN Project die hard forum hardasses who somehow have tons of time to dick around on online forums instead of climb all started out leading WI 4 so you never had this problem. Maybe one of you should start a how to be a badass forum so I can waste time reading it instead of climbing and learn myself a thing or two.


I wasn't even responding to your post, hence not quoting it. Honestly I didn't even see it.

My post wasn't directed at nor initiated by your post; in fact I say that I'm not a great leader, so I'm on your side. It was just an observation about the general shennagagins at the ice crags.
Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Joined Feb 15, 2006
1,387 points
Jan 10, 2013
Rock Climbing Photo: ice park
Justin Deal wrote:
I was just asking about the descent/climb to get up there without leading. I do lead. Ice and trad. Trad for three years and this is my first year to lead ice. I've been climbing ice for three years and the people who taught me have been doing it almost ten. I get up at 430 in the morning and get to my climb by 8 usually, with my big boy pants on and a full set of good manners and very legit anchor building skills. I just don't want to bite off more than I can chew on lead but I do want to climb whatever I can. I would never rappel down on someone or drop a rop or ice on someone from the top of a climb(unless I'm climbing and ice comes down naturally). I'm sure all you MTN Project die hard forum hardasses who somehow have tons of time to dick around on online forums instead of climb all started out leading WI 4 so you never had this problem. Maybe one of you should start a how to be a badass forum so I can waste time reading it instead of climbing and learn myself a thing or two.


Once again let's stay on topic of an "Ice conditions Thread."

Skied to below Grace Falls in RMNP this weekend and the ice looked super solid. Plenty of mixed potential in the area as well. I wouldn't get on the North Face though if you paid me.
Will Butler
From Boulder, CO
Joined Sep 6, 2005
78 points
Jan 10, 2013
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Will Butler wrote:
Once again let's stay on topic of an "Ice conditions Thread." Skied to below Grace Falls in RMNP this weekend and the ice looked super solid. Plenty of mixed potential in the area as well. I wouldn't get on the North Face though if you paid me.



Will, A: thanks for getting us back on topic. B: Why would you not want to get on the North Face? Windloaded etc, or personal aversion? C: You skied in, did you find that worthwhile with the amount of snow present? I skied in last week on the east side of the park and was very disappointed I lugged in my relatively heavy skis/boots, carried my ice boots, because there was so little snow I could have boot packed as quickly. Love to ski approach if its worthwhile.
Paul-B
Joined Mar 26, 2011
127 points
Jan 10, 2013
Some photos of Martha's last Sunday. Not much ice but still fun!

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Oliver Deshler
Joined May 7, 2010
2 points
Jan 11, 2013
Has anyone checked out Boulder Canyon ice recently? Andrew McLean
From Colorado
Joined Oct 16, 2006
395 points
Jan 11, 2013
Anyone been up Dreamweaver recently? TheBirdman
From Eldorado Springs, Colorado
Joined Jan 4, 2010
70 points
Jan 11, 2013
Rock Climbing Photo: Climbing above Black Lake
Drew McLean wrote:
Has anyone checked out Boulder Canyon ice recently?


nothing even starting to form really.
Mike Pharris
From Longmont, CO
Joined May 21, 2007
147 points
Jan 11, 2013
Anyone been up total abandon or blind assumption lately? gunter
Joined Mar 2, 2011
13 points
Jan 11, 2013
Rock Climbing Photo: ice park
Paul-B wrote:
Will, A: thanks for getting us back on topic. B: Why would you not want to get on the North Face? Windloaded etc, or personal aversion? C: You skied in, did you find that worthwhile with the amount of snow present? I skied in last week on the east side of the park and was very disappointed I lugged in my relatively heavy skis/boots, carried my ice boots, because there was so little snow I could have boot packed as quickly. Love to ski approach if its worthwhile.


Paul, we skinned in all the way from Bear Lake to Odessa Lake. The trail was completely covered the entire way and was quite fun in and of itself. Fun ski down too as it's 90% downhill.

The reason I wouldn't get on the North Face is that the bowl above the first few pitches looks wind loaded and there's a bunch of snow that you'd have to trudge through to get to the upper pitches. Grace Falls looked quite safe though and is definitely the largest portion of ice I saw in the valley.
Will Butler
From Boulder, CO
Joined Sep 6, 2005
78 points
Jan 11, 2013
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Loved this video! (Steve House and partner on mixed climbs in Ouray)
Rocky_Mtn_High
From Arvada, CO
Joined Apr 14, 2010
237 points
Jan 12, 2013
Rock Climbing Photo: Standin' on top of the world.  NEWS, WA Pass.
Swung my tools around the falls area of Castlewood Canyon for a bit this morning. Lots of fatty, plastic ice bouldering to be had. Everything I got on was very solid. The creek is quite low right now and the ice can be easily accessed by scrambling down into the canyon at the falls. eric kramak
From Denver, Colorado
Joined May 20, 2011
46 points
Jan 13, 2013
Redstone area still very dry. Avacado gully not in at all, Drool still hardly there, Falls are limited actually its all just bad. funkyicemonkey
From Colorado
Joined Nov 21, 2011
4 points
Jan 13, 2013
GW falls and Hidden Falls just getting fatter and fatter by the day. Just did my 4 lap on the former today...via the R hand ramp just R of the main/steep L curtain on GW falls. tom bohanon
Joined Jan 24, 2006
118 points
Jan 13, 2013
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I just created this forum so we can post just ice conditions and hazards, not mindless BS about who dropped a rope on who and how burly you are at climbing. I love mountain project but i am sick of this forum!
Tguns
Joined Jan 13, 2013
0 points
Jan 13, 2013
Rock Climbing Photo: You can love your rope but you can't "LOVE&qu...
I saw some people climbing on the Georgetown flow right next to I-70. This is a serious no-no and you will get ticketed. Lee Smith
Joined Sep 5, 2003
1,686 points
Jan 13, 2013
Rock Climbing Photo: Relaxing at the top of looking glass.
tom bohanon wrote:
GW falls and Hidden Falls just getting fatter and fatter by the day. Just did my 4 lap on the former today...via the R hand ramp just R of the main/steep L curtain on GW falls.


Rock Climbing Photo: GW falls
GW falls

From today climb.
Brian marsh
From carbondale, CO
Joined Jun 20, 2012
160 points
Jan 14, 2013
Rock Climbing Photo: me on my redpoint
How are the longer routes in RMNP doing like AMU and West Gully? Anyone been up there? Dave Cummings
From Grand Junction, CO
Joined Jul 3, 2007
213 points
Jan 14, 2013
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anything in clear creek yet??? its close. silly. and great for night ice i guess. Eldo Love
From Mancos,CO
Joined Sep 9, 2012
125 points
Jan 14, 2013
AMU is in. Not sure about W Gully, but would imagine it's also in. Could still see the ice pitch in the NW Gully of Thatchtop, looking good. Mike Soucy
From Longmont, CO
Joined May 1, 2006
80 points


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