Stunt planes in Black Velvet
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Has anyone else been treated to a show by the stunt planes zipping through Black Velvet canyon recently? We also watched them doing loop-the-loops while we were climbing at Windy Peak. Seems like they are becoming a regular visitor out there in the otherwise quiet canyons. Oh, Vegas. |
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I haven't been there, so no. But geez Sherri, that sounds really irritating. |
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April 7 in the afternoon. Not one but two. I'm not usually a complainer but found it annoying as hell! |
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Yes, I saw them flying in and out of several of the canyons on multiple days back in late March. |
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Have seen them out there multiple times this spring...they also just had a fatal crash South of town as well (same outfit). |
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Sherri, Casey and I were at the optimum height on Epi last month when we saw a full on dive and roll. I have flown a little. Regardless of how rebellious some might think it is or isn't, damn impressive flying. |
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Gotta agree with Dow. We saw three of them from the top of Brownstone Wall at the end of March, diving and rolling and looping all around the canyon behind Brownstone. One of them flew through the Gunsight notch, then turned and headed straight for Rainbow Wall. At the last second he headed straight up and over the wall. Very entertaining! |
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There was a piece on aircraft noise on the NV public radio site in relation to the helicopter tours. tl;dr BLM tells people to forward complaints to the FAA and the FAA only has voluntary guidelines: |
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All of those guys are in violation of 91.13 at the very least but it would take an inspector that wants to bust them to do anything about it. |
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Yes, and they are dam good pilots! Sweet show! |
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The flying is definitely impressive, but it is also quite distracting when you are climbing and disconcerting when they are flying straight towards you before quickly banking their turn. Even a small miscalculation on the pilot's part is endangering anyone in the vicinity. |
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The FAA is a bit more restrictive than the 500 foot distance would suggest. A key element for interpretation is Advisory Circular 91-36 regarding flight over noise-sensitive areas. It recommends 2000 feet above terrain, and although this is a voluntary distance, the circular contains the definition: |
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My partner and I saw these guys flying in between the Rose Tower and Jack Rabbit Buttress back around Feb or Apr. Cool looking, although it makes things scary and dangerous. My partner pulled rope through my atc because I couldn't hear him shout "off belay." Don't mind the cool stunts and planes, just go some place that's not above climbing. |
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Don't think they will be out there anymore: |
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Doug Foust wrote:Don't think they will be out there anymore: reviewjournal.com/news/las-…I don't think they've ceased operations -- we saw them flying loop-the-loops adjacent to Windy Peak on May 9. (The accident referenced in the article happened on Apr. 30.) |
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We were at the summit of Tiers of the Rising Sun 2 days ago and a single prop red stunt plane did his thing. Battle simulation sweeping right over us. I have no problem with it though. I have zero expectations regarding privacy/pristine nature if in Vegas or Red Rock NCA. Just a free show. Admired the skill and guts. |
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Dow Williams wrote:We were at the summit of Tiers of the Rising Sun 2 days ago and a single prop red stunt plane did his thing. Battle simulation sweeping right over us. I have no problem with it though. I have zero expectations regarding privacy/pristine nature if in Vegas or Red Rock NCA. Just a free show. Admired the skill and guts.What kind of logic is that? Just because it's near Vegas, it's ok to go whizzing through the wilderness areas? I bet if planes were flying through Zion or the Valley, people would be all up in arms. It's lowbrow logic like this that didn't stop the helicopters from infiltrating the park. You sound like one of the BLM drones, "the FAA controls the airspace, can't do anything about it". It started off as 1 tour company, now there are 2 and who knows how many more on the way. Perhaps instead of just admiring it, we should all be writing letters to the FAA. Personally, I think it's a terrible precedent to be setting. |
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Adventure Chumps wrote: What kind of logic is that? Just because it's near Vegas, it's ok to go whizzing through the wilderness areas? I bet if planes were flying through Zion or the Valley, people would be all up in arms. It's lowbrow logic like this that didn't stop the helicopters from infiltrating the park. You sound like one of the BLM drones, "the FAA controls the airspace, can't do anything about it". It started off as 1 tour company, now there are 2 and who knows how many more on the way. Perhaps instead of just admiring it, we should all be writing letters to the FAA. Personally, I think it's a terrible precedent to be setting.Exactly right. The tourist helicopters and stunt planes need to be stopped. I don't see how these companies can operate in wilderness areas. |
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John Hegyes wrote: Exactly right. The tourist helicopters and stunt planes need to be stopped. I don't see how these companies can operate in wilderness areas.So no more helicopters for skiing or planes to the Alaska range? How bout a solution that works for both user groups. Nobody's the center of the universe no matter how much granola they eat or how much money they have. |
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Bill Kirby wrote: So no more helicopters for skiing or planes to the Alaska range? How bout a solution that works for both user groups. Nobody's the center of the universe no matter how much granola they eat or how much money they have.Wow dude! I agree with you. Never thought that shit would happen. |
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How about a solution that works for the planet? Turns out humans aren't the center of the universe either, no matter how clueless they are. |