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By cms829
Mar 27, 2012
high e
Anyone using this rope? And if so, what are your thought about it? Likes? Dislikes? I think Im going to pick one up next week but wanted to know what everyone thought of it. It will be used for a lot of trad and some sport. Maybe some aid. Maybe a lil ice in the winter when Im not using my doubles. Who knows. I enjoy a stiff smooth cord. lol

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By S Denny
From Prescott, AZ
Mar 27, 2012
johnL wrote:
It's the best rope I've ever owned.


this is pretty much the general consensus. great rope, sterling rocks.

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By Cor
Mar 27, 2012
black nasty
yeah, +1 for sterling ropes.

i usually burn through many, but my sterling ones
have been holding up really well. actually better
than i had expected. so with that being said...
they are not the cheapest, but you get what you pay for!

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By mattm
From TX
Mar 27, 2012
Grande Grotto
The above responses are pretty typical. Things like that made me get one as well.
After truly not that many pitches my reaction is "meh". It's a nice rope and typical of a the 9.8mm ish size run but it hasn't blown my mind either. The sheath has shown some wear earlier than I'd expect from primarily Limestone Cragging (clip bolts, lower, repeat). On the other hand, it's handled well and I don't have any other major complaints.

It's rare the Sterlings are a "great deal" but they're also not the priciest around.

I don't think it's a bad choice by any means but I wouldn't expect it to be the best rope known to man. Many say this but I've found (as with almost any rope I've owned) YMMV.

My current "favorite" ropes are the new Edelweiss Perform 3s Element 2 10.2mm and Energy 9.5mm. I found a BIColor 80m 9.5 for sub $200 and the 10.2s 70m sub $170

good luck. You'll be happy with the Sterling as well. Just don't set your expectations super high and you'll be satisfied.

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By Cindy Mitchell
Mar 27, 2012
Racking up for the 3rd pitch of Ruper
Love my bi-color velocity. I climb 2-3 times a week outside and this will be its 3rd season. It still handles smoothly in the belay device, doesn't have any soft spots and hasn't gone stiff and unmanageable like most Mammut ropes.

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By divnamite
From New York, NY
Mar 27, 2012
CMS, it's a good rope. A little heavy than my other 9.8, but definitely durable as hell. Not sure if I want to aid with it, jugging and Yosmite granite can be rough.

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By Mark Mueller
From Flagstaff, AZ
Mar 27, 2012
Great quality rock on this one!
Love my Velocity. You probably will too.

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By Ryan Williams
Administrator
From London (sort of)
Mar 28, 2012
El Chorro
johnL wrote:
It's the best rope I've ever owned. Durable like a thick rope, but it's not thick. Light like a thin rope but it's not so skinny. Great catch, great hand, holds bowlines well, no sheath slippage, and loads of colors to choose from. One caveat, most of my friends and I have all noticed that our Velocity's get dirty fast. Maybe it's the rope or maybe I climb with filthy people. 3 of the last 4 ropes I've owned have been Sterling. I won't look at other brands anymore unless there is a very compelling financial reason.


This is pretty much what I was going to say, word for word.

I don't understand why these ropes get so dirty, but I've had/used there of them and they're all the same. Turn my hands black. Other than that it's the best rope I've ever used. Sterling Ropes are the best, period.

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By Tom T
Mar 28, 2012
johnL wrote:
It's the best rope I've ever owned.


+100


I've also washed it a few times with warm water, blue-water rope detergent, and the BD rope brush....comes out like brand new every time.

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By shotwell
Mar 28, 2012
johnL wrote:
It's the best rope I've ever owned. Durable like a thick rope, but it's not thick. Light like a thin rope but it's not so skinny. Great catch, great hand, holds bowlines well, no sheath slippage, and loads of colors to choose from. One caveat, most of my friends and I have all noticed that our Velocity's get dirty fast. Maybe it's the rope or maybe I climb with filthy people. 3 of the last 4 ropes I've owned have been Sterling. I won't look at other brands anymore unless there is a very compelling financial reason.


Not only does it handle well, but it is more durable than the Sterling Marathon Pro (10.1mm). Fantastic rope.

For some reason, all Sterling ropes seem to make my hands disgusting. The Velocity is no worse than the Marathon style.

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By Optimistic
From New Paltz
Mar 28, 2012
cms829 wrote:
Anyone using this rope? And if so, what are your thought about it? Likes? Dislikes? I think Im going to pick one up next week but wanted to know what everyone thought of it. It will be used for a lot of trad and some sport. Maybe some aid. Maybe a lil ice in the winter when Im not using my doubles. Who knows. I enjoy a stiff smooth cord. lol


Assuming you are talking about the 9.8 I'm underwhelmed:
1) seems to kink a fair amount, not severely, but not a great handling rope for sure (this is probably my 10th or 15th rope, if that matters to you).
2) a $200 rope with no middle mark? gimme a break!
3) most importantly if you have this rope as a 70, it is heavy, heavy, heavy. I have friends who have 9.5x70's and I've been amazed by the difference. If you're going to be using this rope in some context where weight is totally secondary (working long sport routes next to the road, I guess?), then great. As a source of additional options for pitch and rap length for trad, though: major miscalculation on my part. I'd never buy a 9.8 in a 70 again. 60 would obviously render that a lot less noticeable, but then again a 9.4 or 9.5 in a 60 would be that much lighter!

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By cms829
Mar 28, 2012
high e
well right now i use a 10.5 70 meter so....im sure its a lot lighter then that!

As far as a middle marker....get yourself a nice sharpie thats made for fabric. Costs 3 bucks lasts a lifetime. And is safe for the rope. I think im pretty sold on it...im just looking at a few thinner options. like a 9.5-ish

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By Optimistic
From New Paltz
Mar 28, 2012
cms829 wrote:
well right now i use a 10.5 70 meter so....im sure its a lot lighter then that! As far as a middle marker....get yourself a nice sharpie thats made for fabric. Costs 3 bucks lasts a lifetime. And is safe for the rope. I think im pretty sold on it...im just looking at a few thinner options. like a 9.5-ish


Well you're right that it'll seem like a dream compared to the 10.5!

And yeah, it's not that I don't know HOW to mark a rope, just that I think they should've taken care of it! FWIW, I have a Beal roll-on marker that works great.

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By mattm
From TX
Mar 28, 2012
Grande Grotto
cms829 wrote:
well right now i use a 10.5 70 meter so....im sure its a lot lighter then that! As far as a middle marker....get yourself a nice sharpie thats made for fabric. Costs 3 bucks lasts a lifetime. And is safe for the rope. I think im pretty sold on it...im just looking at a few thinner options. like a 9.5-ish


Well, for $178 you can get yourself a 9.5mm x 70m BICOLOR that specs out better (IMO) than the velocity

Edelweiss 9.5mm

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By Daniel Wade
From Oakland, CA.
Mar 29, 2012
Best rope out there for all-around use. Girlfriend and I love our dry-treated for trad, sport, and some limited TR. Not sure why the obsession in the climbing community over middle marks. Sterling doesn't mark any of their ropes. Does get dirty fast but it seems to wash up nicely.

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By C'est La Vie
Mar 29, 2012
I love this rope. Except here's mine now..

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By Ryan Williams
Administrator
From London (sort of)
Mar 29, 2012
El Chorro
David Horgan wrote:
Assuming you are talking about the 9.8 I'm underwhelmed: 1) seems to kink a fair amount, not severely, but not a great handling rope for sure (this is probably my 10th or 15th rope, if that matters to you). 2) a $200 rope with no middle mark? gimme a break! 3) most importantly if you have this rope as a 70, it is heavy, heavy, heavy. I have friends who have 9.5x70's and I've been amazed by the difference. If you're going to be using this rope in some context where weight is totally secondary (working long sport routes next to the road, I guess?), then great. As a source of additional options for pitch and rap length for trad, though: major miscalculation on my part. I'd never buy a 9.8 in a 70 again. 60 would obviously render that a lot less noticeable, but then again a 9.4 or 9.5 in a 60 would be that much lighter!


So to summarize:

1) You uncoiled the rope inproperly and/or aren't very good at threading anchors or rope management

2) You are too lazy to find the middle of the rope the normal way

3) You bought the wrong diameter rope! Of course it's heavier than a 9.5... because it's a 9.8! It's no heavier than any other 9.8.

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By Tom T
Mar 29, 2012
Ryan Williams wrote:
2) You are too lazy to find the middle of the rope the normal way



And bi-color is also an option; sounds like you just bought the wrong rope for your needs.

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By Optimistic
From New Paltz
Mar 29, 2012
Ryan Williams wrote:
So to summarize: 1) You uncoiled the rope inproperly and/or aren't very good at threading anchors or rope management 2) You are too lazy to find the middle of the rope the normal way 3) You bought the wrong diameter rope! Of course it's heavier than a 9.5... because it's a 9.8! It's no heavier than any other 9.8.

0) Hm. Well, since I responded to the OP with actual experiences I've had with the product he's interested in and you responded with a bunch of sarcastic comments, I think many reasonable folks might read your reply and say, "Ryan is being a jerk." Which I did.

1) Since you weren't with me, not sure how you can say that. In this specific case, I was actually rapping on my OTHER Sterling yesterday (I think it's a 10.1x60 or something like that, not really sure): no kinks. That rope never gives trouble. It was based on that rope's good performance that I bought the 70. I handle it the same way as the 70. Ropes have different handling characteristics. That's why the OP was asking the question to begin with. I bought a pair of Black Diamond doubles, must be almost 15 years ago now: every rap, by the time you got near the bottom, the ropes were a horrible mass of spaghetti. I called BD, they very nicely replaced the ropes with what appeared to be an identical pair...and the spaghetti (with identical rope management) never came back.

2) Well, since I describe the method I use to mark the rope, I guess that might not be true. But if by "normal way" you are referring to grabbing both ends and using them to find the middle, and having NO middle mark, then I would say that this is pretty inconvenient on multipitch rappels, which in turn is one of the (several) reasons why people want a middle mark. So I re-assert that my rope should have shipped with a middle mark, as many ropes do, and that this is either lack of attention to detail on Sterling's part, or some kind of weird nanny state liability thing, cheapness, or just laziness.

3)I agree that I bought the wrong size rope: that's why I described that action in my post as a "major miscalculation on my part." Was trying to save the OP from doing the same, or at least let him be aware of the issue.

Really, Ryan: recently the MP admins, of whom you are one, have been working hard to improve the tenor of the site. Your post does very little to achieve that goal.

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By mattm
From TX
Mar 29, 2012
Grande Grotto
David Horgan wrote:
0) Hm. Well, since I responded to the OP with actual experiences I've had with the product he's interested in and you responded with a bunch of sarcastic comments, I think many reasonable folks might read your reply and say, "Ryan is being a jerk." Which I did. 1) Since you weren't with me, not sure how you can say that. In this specific case, I was actually rapping on my OTHER Sterling yesterday (I think it's a 10.1x60 or something like that, not really sure): no kinks. That rope never gives trouble. It was based on that rope's good performance that I bought the 70. I handle it the same way as the 70. Ropes have different handling characteristics. That's why the OP was asking the question to begin with. I bought a pair of Black Diamond doubles, must be almost 15 years ago now: every rap, by the time you got near the bottom, the ropes were a horrible mass of spaghetti. I called BD, they very nicely replaced the ropes with what appeared to be an identical pair...and the spaghetti (with identical rope management) never came back. 2) Well, since I describe the method I use to mark the rope, I guess that might not be true. But if by "normal way" you are referring to grabbing both ends and using them to find the middle, and having NO middle mark, then I would say that this is pretty inconvenient on multipitch rappels, which in turn is one of the (several) reasons why people want a middle mark. So I re-assert that my rope should have shipped with a middle mark, as many ropes do, and that this is either lack of attention to detail on Sterling's part, or some kind of weird nanny state liability thing, cheapness, or just laziness. 3)I agree that I bought the wrong size rope: that's why I described that action in my post as a "major miscalculation on my part." Was trying to save the OP from doing the same, or at least let him be aware of the issue. Really, Ryan: recently the MP admins, of whom you are one, have been working hard to improve the tenor of the site. Your post does very little to achieve that goal.


Gotta agree wholeheartedly with the above. Lot's of good points in there.

-I've found over MANY years of climbing rope use that each rope is SOMEWHAT and individual purchase. I've had rope within the same brand act very differently and identical MODEL ropes do the same. If you go back and read the UBIQUITOUS "What rope should I get?" threads on various internet sites you see this play out. One person loves Mammut, another does not. BW Lighting is the "shiznit" or "spaghetti incarnate". Whatever. There are certain brands and models that you'll likely have a better experience with but that's not a guarantee. This is especially true given that everyone uses, abuses and handles their ropes differently. I was a HUGE Beal fan for a long time but had a recent, poor experience with one. I got the Sterling 9.8 Velocity to see if all the rave reviews were accurate. It't a good rope to be shure BUT, I've had some premature wear issues with it ( Durability is what Sterling is beat know for). The BEST rope I've ever owned was a 9.9 Edelweiss ARC. That thing was bomber beyond belief and served me well for YEARS. Sport, Trad whatever. It was moved to gym rope status and the ONLY reason I put it out to pasture was it wasn't feeling all that dynamic anymore. The rope still looked a ok.

- Rope Thickness is NOT a good indicator of a rope's weight. There's a +/- range allowed when measuring rope thickness and one company's 9.5mm is a another's 9.9mm. The ONLY way to compare weight is the grams/meter spec. Seriously, a Beal 10mm Tiger is 61g/m. That 9.8mm Sterling? 62g/m

- I am a strong proponent of a middle mark. The idea that I'm "too lazy" to do it the "normal way" is utter BS. Middle Marks help with determining if a pitch can be lowered from, how far out on a pitch you are (If it's a 45m pitch and you hit the middle mark on your 70m your belayer can yell up "10 more meters", multi pitch raps are FAR easier with a middle mark etc etc. Lack of a middle mark is a LEGIT negative for a rope. that said, BiColors or Middle marks DO cost more in general. Want to save a few $$? Buy the Beal Rope marking ink and DIY. You can mark a LOT of ropes with it, it provides a bit of tactile indication as well (stiffer) and you can get creative if you wish and mark 10m out from either end of the rope etc.



Bottom Line: Rope reviews online might point you in the right direction but don't expect to have the same experience.

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By cms829
Mar 29, 2012
high e
didnt mean to start an arguement. Regardless...They do make a bicolor or bi pattern...which i plan on buying, or i'll just mark the middle with a sharpie cloth marker or the beal marker. considering the bipatterns are like 40-50 dollars more....I may just buy a marker.

The only thing im still hesitant on is color and dry treatment. My two current ropes are dry treated. However Its not often i climb in the rain. When im ice climbing or alpine i use totally different ropes. Im picking up a pair of petzl dragonflys for next ice season... So I guess im trying to justify spending the extra money on the treated rope. I dont plan on using it on ice, snow, etc. Most times if its raining im not climbing and if i am, im aid climbing and can use my 10.5 70 meter which is treated. what are some thoughts on this. For a dedicated trad/sport rope which will probably only see fair weather, do i really need to spend more money on a treated rope? Im not cheap, but money is tight right now.

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By Jeff Chrisler
From Boulder, CO
Mar 29, 2012
My last rope was a Sterling Nano 9.2 and other than the fact that it had to my top-roping friends an annoying amount of static elongation, I loved the rope. I just picked up the Evolution Velocity last week and have climbed on it twice. My initial impressions are that it is durable so far, has a very good feel, love the look (I snagged the bicolor silver), and seems light to me. It literally feels very similar in weight to the Nano I had... or perhaps I have gotten stronger :). As was said before, I am surprised at how fast this thing picks up dirt. I used a tarp religiously on my first two outings, and my hands are already getting dirty belaying with it. I am sure the g/f will complain about this soon as well. Other than that, I like the rope a lot!

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By divnamite
From New York, NY
Mar 29, 2012
Jeff Chrisler wrote:
My last rope was a Sterling Nano 9.2 and other than the fact that it had to my top-roping friends an annoying amount of static elongation, I loved the rope. I just picked up the Evolution Velocity last week and have climbed on it twice. My initial impressions are that it is durable so far, has a very good feel, love the look (I snagged the bicolor silver), and seems light to me. It literally feels very similar in weight to the Nano I had... or perhaps I have gotten stronger :). As was said before, I am surprised at how fast this thing picks up dirt. I used a tarp religiously on my first two outings, and my hands are already getting dirty belaying with it. I am sure the g/f will complain about this soon as well. Other than that, I like the rope a lot!

I don't think it's dirt, it's the aluminum oxide from the carabiners.

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By slim
Administrator
Mar 29, 2012
tomato, tomotto, kill mike amato.
best ropes i've ever owned also. i probably won't buy anything else again. i have an 80m and don't really find it THAT heavy. durable as hell.

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By bearbreeder
Mar 29, 2012
on middle marks

1. get a light coloured rope if you want to be able to see yr middle mark after some use ... DO NOT get a dark coloured one ... when you depend on yr middle mark, ie cold tired hungry and in the dark, you want it to be more visible than times square ...

2. IMO you should be training yourself to find the middle the old fashion way ... one of these days youll be climbing on someone elses rope, or a rope that has been choped, and the habits you develop will follow you ...

3. for multi rappels, simply have one person put the end through the chains and secure the rope ... that person then pulls the rope though while the other makes sure theres no knots and it runs clean ... when the rope falls, pull up that end and feed both through at the same time ... IMO its a very good idea to pull up that end anyways to make sure it doesnt get caught ... with practice this is fast and makes sure yr at the halfway, and keeps the rope cleaner ... while speed is important on multi rappels, not effing up is even more so IMO

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By DexterRutecki
From Cincinnati, Ohio
Mar 29, 2012
Ryan Williams wrote:
So to summarize: 1) You uncoiled the rope inproperly and/or aren't very good at threading anchors or rope management 2) You are too lazy to find the middle of the rope the normal way 3) You bought the wrong diameter rope! Of course it's heavier than a 9.5... because it's a 9.8! It's no heavier than any other 9.8.


Agreed that is a pretty snotty remark. Especially coming from a moderator. How about moderating yourself and following rule number 1?

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