Hi Everyone, I'm new to MP, but I'd like to take this opportunity to let y'all know that a 2nd edition of the Creek guide is coming soon. Thank you all for your diligent work on the route database, I've pored through it extensively. If you know of routes that aren't in the database yet or have any corrections, omissions etc. the time is now to send them in. Best to send directly to heidi@sharpendbooks.com
In addition The Sharp End is also soliciting photos fotr the new book. Digital submissions or scanned slides only at 140dpi. Please don't send super hi res images, they'll do that later. For your efforts they will pay $30 per photo and give you a guidebook.Please include cliff name,climber name and route name for each shot. They are willing to buy multiple photos from anyone if the stuff is good.They're also looking for photos for the 2009 Women of Climbing calendar. If you have any info or pics and would like to share, I'm trying to make the new guide better than the first. Thanks Very Much, The Doctor

You mean there are going to be be pictures of people besides yourself in the new book? And all the places that you can still go in the creek that are secluded are going to be swarming with people? Sweat!

Doctor, I mean this in the nicest way possible. I hope you never complete this project. The first guide was started a downward spiral that doesn't look like it'll stop soon.

Please go fuck up somewhere else, you've already fucked up the creek.

LDM and JL: laughable.

Hi everyone, I'm new to MP but I wanted you all to know that the 1st edition of 'Climbing Guide Authors of Climbing Guides' will soon be available, along with the accompanying nude calander. Its almost complete, but we're still looking for more calander photos to complete the loincloth layout. For those of you especially fond of our guidebook authors, we're working on a spread depicting the doctor and fred knapp racing eachother up the un-named and 3am, each w/ all of their respective 'works' clipped to their asses....

Just so everyone is clear: John Langston and LDM are the only people allowed to climb at the creek. They are the true hard men who did all the first ascents and discovered all the cool crags. No one would have ever heard of the creek if it hadn't been for the Evil Doctor.

why can't you out of staters GO FUCK UP YOUR OWN STATE and leave utah alone and in addition BOYCOTT ALL SHARP END PUBLICATIONS!

someone should buy john langston a beer!

the doctor must be a pretty bad doctor if he has to supplement his income with that from a guide book!

Please go back to this format

Hummmm.....the doctor joins mountain project and......

Post 1- Graciously offers to hook up with someone visiting Southern Arizona

Post 2 - Notifies us that his new guidebook is in the works and wants any updated information so the guide is as accurate as possible AND states that the publisher is paying for fresh photo's to be showcased

Post 3 - Fun interaction of a recent trip to IC for Sushifest of which was miserable on many accounts but he'd never say that

Yup, you guys sold me. That Doctor is a jerkoff!!

Susan

yeah.... and all you ghey IC climbers with NIMBY ass ideas stay the fuk out of Joshua Tree and Yosemite. Those places have been totally fukked since the guidebooks came out, and If I ever see that John Wolf guy or Roper around here they are going to hear it. Vogel too! ALL THESE CLIMBERS ARE RUINING CLIMBING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAHHHHHRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!! I WANT TO KILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

More like thirty years!

I did my first climb at IC in 1987 and camped below supercrack buttress on that trip. It has changed alot since then - for the worse - but I don't think David Bloom should have to listen to personal attacks because he helped produce a very nice guidebook. I can buy a guidebook for every climbing area in the world, why should the creek be any different? Maybe we should blame Black Diamond and Metolius, those fancy camming devices are what make the creek so popular.

why is the topic of IC always an asswipe & sausage fest?

Everywhere you go is crowded, especially if it is a world class climbing area like the Creek. The last time I was at the creek people were everywhere, dogs running wild, people camped at the base of cat wall etc.... I still had a rad time and hope to get back soon.

John, at least you are doing your part as far as MP is concerned. You have added routes for IC with dogshiit descriptions into the route database.... wait.... ain't the ROUTE DATABASE a GUIDEBOOK????? . Were those a smoke screen or are you just a hypocrite? You could have received close to $30 and a BJ from SharpEnd for those.

Err you mean DullEnd.

You got me Russ.

2 of the 3 routes I added was to update status on formerly mank anchors. The third just happened to be right next to it. All are already in the guide. Any FA's I've done there are not in database and they won't be.

What's funny is you trashing me on one site and being friendly on another. I'm not going to join your offwidth site, there's nothing to add, too niche. Sorry I didn't get any photo's of me on Jaws either.

As far as descriptions go, a guide shouldn't offer any more than how to get to the climb and how to get down. David, read that sentence again. No matter what I say I know you'll still go through with your book. You are wrong on gear descriptions more than you're right, I'm not the only one who has experienced this.

Just step back mkay? Seriously, I think your name would get trashed a lot less if your descriptions read more like this.

Blooms Crack 11+
35M
The third route to the left of the approach trail (tree, rock, VW, whatever).

That's it. You didn't tell anyone anything you didn't know.

Oh, and put someone else's photo in the book too.

Sorry John, but I'm not trashing you. I'm seeing a lashing coming out of your keyboard toward Bloom, that I think is misdirected. It don't mean I won't still give you a reach around. You want a trashing, just call that one dude "Bobby" again.

Too bad about the other site. It seemed you had something to offer in that "niche".