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By Monty
From Golden, CO
Sep 22, 2009
Just a teaser

here ya go! DEBATE!


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By Shawn Mitchell
From Broomfield
Sep 22, 2009
Splitter Jams on the Israel/Palestine Security Wall.

What's the resolution?

In the affirmative or the negative?

Roberts Rules?


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By Tim Kline
From Littleton, co
Sep 22, 2009
Classic climb called Gossamer in the monster area of Rushmore

Monty wrote:
here ya go! DEBATE!


Monty,

Thanks for taking this in your hands and opening this thread. I apologize for getting the debate started in the previous thread. I should not have shared my opinion, just the facts.

Anyways, anybody who wants to smear me here... go ahead.

Thanks

Tim


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By matthewWallace
From plymouth, nh
Sep 22, 2009
Sticking the pinch on the V5 variation. self portrait.

soloing is a personal choice... but the soloist needs to think of what would happen if something were to go wrong, i.e. what happens to their family and friends. thats my beliefs


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By Shawn Mitchell
From Broomfield
Sep 22, 2009
Splitter Jams on the Israel/Palestine Security Wall.

Order...I demand order! No one has been recognized. The rules are not set yet!


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By Darren Mabe
From Flagstaff, AZ
Sep 22, 2009
wham bam hand jam. Wrapping up the final moves of Twist of Fate, Oak Creek Canyon. <br /> <br />photo: Blake McCord

assuming the debate is about free-soloing?


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By matthewWallace
From plymouth, nh
Sep 22, 2009
Sticking the pinch on the V5 variation. self portrait.

yes free soloing what do you think


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By Shawn Mitchell
From Broomfield
Sep 22, 2009
Splitter Jams on the Israel/Palestine Security Wall.

Oh, this is anarchy...sheer anarchy.


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By Brigette
From Vancouver, WA
Sep 22, 2009
At the anchors.

Shawn Mitchell wrote:
Order...I demand order! No one has been recognized. The rules are not set yet!


Rules schmules. What are ya, a politician?


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By matthewWallace
From plymouth, nh
Sep 22, 2009
Sticking the pinch on the V5 variation. self portrait.

free soloing is the only true free climbing! summit or plummit!


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By Monty
From Golden, CO
Sep 22, 2009
Just a teaser

here he here he, the debate shall now take session. all you master-debaters take the stand. because free soloing is like a hot cup of coffee if you dive right into it, your gonna get burned!


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By Darren Mabe
From Flagstaff, AZ
Sep 22, 2009
wham bam hand jam. Wrapping up the final moves of Twist of Fate, Oak Creek Canyon. <br /> <br />photo: Blake McCord

free soloists dont get to use GriGri's.


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By Shawn Mitchell
From Broomfield
Sep 22, 2009
Splitter Jams on the Israel/Palestine Security Wall.

Monty wrote:
here he here he, the debate shall now take session. all you master-debaters take the stand. because free soloing is like a hot cup of coffee if you dive right into it, your gonna get burned!

All right! That's what I'M talking about...

And bold opening, Horse! They can't possibly have a comeback.

EDIT:
Brigette wrote:
Rules schmules. What are ya, a politician?

Not this morning toots. A rampaging bare knuckled verbal pugilist! Ha.

Not really...more a spectator between billable tenth-hours. :)


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By Dirty Gri Gri, or is it GiGi?
From Vegas
Sep 22, 2009
Growing a winter coat in Red Rock Canyon- December 2013.

IMO: An experienced climber who chooses to solo reminds me of some of the Cirque Du Soleil performers that do their dangerous acts with no fall protection. They're a unique breed, and as long as humans are still roaming around on earth, we'll continue to have these people around, and I'm sure they don't give a damn what we think of their choices in life, and I bet their families, and loved ones can't even stop them. Millions of people, for thousands of years have watched, and paid to see amazing, death defying acts, and will continue to until a meteor wipes us all out with no one to save anyone,(not a bad way to go).


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By Darren Mabe
From Flagstaff, AZ
Sep 22, 2009
wham bam hand jam. Wrapping up the final moves of Twist of Fate, Oak Creek Canyon. <br /> <br />photo: Blake McCord

Monty wrote:
...free soloing is like a hot cup of coffee if you dive right into it, your gonna get burned!

free soloing is almost like climbing without a rope: if you fall, you may die.


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By Monty
From Golden, CO
Sep 22, 2009
Just a teaser

well this guy doesnt have the appropriate footwear so he cant be free soloing... i think this is more along the unroped climbing lines


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By Rick Blair
From Denver
Sep 22, 2009
This is a novel auto blocking belay device.  I think it works quite well, depending on rope thickness and sheath quality, it belays very smooth.  Great to lower with.  You gotta love over engineering.  $3 at a gear swap!

Monty wrote:
here he here he, the debate shall now take session. all you master-debaters take the stand. because free soloing is like a hot cup of coffee if you dive right into it, your gonna get burned!

Free soling is like hot coffee before the McDonalds lawsuit. Now that they a have their coffee down to 185F a hot cup of coffe is more like roped soloing, you have a little more margin for error.

Get your metaphors straight!

Full disclosure, I am for hot coffee but not free soloing.


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By David Aguasca!
From New York
Sep 22, 2009
Oh no! OUT OF COFFEE! ALL IS LOST

Going solo is fine when there's no one else around, but doing it with a partner is so much more satisfying. Everyone knows THAT.


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By Greg D
From Here
Sep 22, 2009
Out of the blue.  Photo by Mike W. <br />

Unfortunately, a free solo climber died last week. (Lover's Leap)
Unfortunately, a roped climber died last week, too. (Cob Rock)

Last year, a roped climber fell 50 feet on Werk Supp and died.
Last year, a free solo climber fell 50 feet on Werk Supp and lived. (seriously injured, though)

I have been dropped on a gri gri.
I have been dropped on an atc.
I have never fallen while free soloing.

I have burned my mouth on hot coffee, hot chocolate and hot pizza.
I have been hit by a car while biking.
I have tripped and fallen on a sidewalk.

My point: Soloing is risky. Roped climbing is risky. Life is risky. If you don't take some risks in life you may miss out on some of life's greatest pleasures. Do yourself a favor. Go out and buy a "PAY ATTENTION". Take it with you everywhere and use it. Now, go out and have some fun, take some calculated risks and PAY ATTENTION.


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By Monty
From Golden, CO
Sep 22, 2009
Just a teaser

My favorite part about soloing is doing it for the camera! whats the point of soloing something if people cant see how cool you are and how crazy it is.


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By Shawn Mitchell
From Broomfield
Sep 22, 2009
Splitter Jams on the Israel/Palestine Security Wall.

David Aguasca wrote:
Going solo is fine when there's no one else around, but doing it with a partner is so much more satisfying. Everyone knows THAT.

Does your supporting data include a representative sample of female respondents?


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By John Bradbury
Sep 22, 2009
apollo

Free soloing is like peeing in your pants. Everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.


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By Monty
From Golden, CO
Sep 22, 2009
Just a teaser

John Bradbury wrote:
Free soloing is like peeing in your pants. Everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.


"if peeing your pants is cool, i'm Miles Davis"


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By Greg D
From Here
Sep 22, 2009
Out of the blue.  Photo by Mike W. <br />

John Bradbury wrote:
Free soloing is like peeing in your pants. Everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.


I have peed my pants while free soloing. This doubled my pleasure.


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By Shawn Mitchell
From Broomfield
Sep 22, 2009
Splitter Jams on the Israel/Palestine Security Wall.

Greg D wrote:
I have peed my pants while free soloing. This doubled my pleasure.

And apparently--since you are alive and posting--your relief as well!


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By Robin like the bird
From mountain center ,CA
Sep 22, 2009
oh

are people out there on sight free soloing, or is there a thought to work a route on rope till you know the moves then go sans rope


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