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Thank you for the feedback. Lisa Merc
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The Shield
Stop. Sam Lightner, Jr.
From Lander, WY
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Me and Spearhead
I'm not sure if you're just trolling but I'll bite.

There are many deaths every year from people falling literally 10 feet to the ground.

...so, yeah 30ft to rocks covered by a few inches of foam is not going to work out so well for ya.
Or to put it more plainly.... Yer gonna die!

Edit: I know, sorry for failing you user id
Brent Apgar
From Out of the Loop
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Apr 6, 2012
How old are you? Only reson I ask is you can practicaly heal overnite if your still young, therefore we all took more risks in our youth. Now, at 35, a 30ft fall would seriously mess up my mojo for awhile. Ankles and knees aren't going to like a fall from that height and in reality you would be lucky if thats all you hurt. 30ft can kill. Be carefull. Being a daredevil is fun, at the moment, but all that crap in your youth will catch up to you at some point.

Some risks are worth it, some aren't. Your gonna have to make that choice for yourself.
Darby
From Snoqualmie, wa
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Rock Wars, RRG, 2008
I fall 6 ft, sprain my ankle, limp around and heal slowly for next 4 months,,,cuz I'm OLD. Decide how busted up you want to be at age 60 if you keep higball bouldering now. Woodchuck ATC
Joined Nov 29, 2007
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Apr 6, 2012
hahahaha darwinism! decking from 30 feet? really? tw160504
From fort collins, co
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About half way up the East Arete on Illumination R...
30+ feet is only "bouldering" in the gym. Outside, we call that free-soloing..

What you chose to free-solo is your own prerogative.. personally, I'll solo up to a certain grade. The height isn't really an issue.. once you get over a couple dozen feet, a fall to jagged rock will probably kill you from 3,100' just as well as 31'. It's the grade and conditions that'll decide me- 'cause those are what's gonna make you drop.
Ben Beckerich
From saint helens, oregon
Joined Jun 24, 2011
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Apr 6, 2012
Approximately how fast would a mass be traveling when it hits the ground if it was dropped from thirty feet. If you can convert to mph it would help me wrap my head around the number, more so than meters/sec. JJNS
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El Chorro
JasonJNSmith wrote:
Approximately how fast would a mass be traveling when it hits the ground if it was dropped from thirty feet. If you can convert to mph it would help me wrap my head around the number, more so than meters/sec.


We'll go with 25-30 mph until someone smarter comes along.
Ryan Williams
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El Chorro
For the record, I've decked with my feet 18 feet off the ground, landed on boulders (and a girl) and barely got a scratch. I've also decked... OK I am not going to tell all my decking stories but a lot of not getting hurt is luck once you get that high off the ground. Ryan Williams
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About half way up the East Arete on Illumination R...
Ryan Williams wrote:
We'll go with 25-30 mph until someone smarter comes along.


my math says 29.84mph... so good estimating

Rough numbers.... √30 = 5.47 x 8 = 43.76fps... / .6818 = 29.84mph

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I seem to recall that the human head can generally take a 10mph impact. No guarantees, but that's something like the limit for good odds of survival. Off the top of my head, that's final velocity from about 5' up.... so a fall straight onto the head from standing height.

Just some perspective
Ben Beckerich
From saint helens, oregon
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Lichen head. Me, with my usual weatherbeaten, lich...
I think I remember reading that with industrial accidents, falling 30 feet results in a 50% chance of fatality. In that 50% survival side, I would imagine there were a lot of awful injuries, resulting in paralyses and other manglings.

Here is a link from a quick google answers.google.com/answers/thr...

Troll or not, it is actually a good question. Some climbers should be more aware of the answer. It is a common psychological condition that when people take chances and get away with it, their risk tolerance keeps moving up. Traders have to be super aware of it. You actually get a boost of testosterone when you make a successful trade which increases your risk taking and without vigilance you can start breaking your risk control rules. I am sure it is a problem with soloists. You get all pumped up and feel good when you get away with it, so keep pushing the bounderies and risk awareness goes to shit. I know I get a buzz from highballing.
M Sprague
From New England
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Apr 6, 2012
Me
My son was in an estimated 40 foot industrial fall last spring. Result: Fractures: 2 femurs, lumbar and cervical vertebrae, several ribs, R wrist. No neuro damage or head injuries. A year later he's in pretty good shape, walks with a slight limp, residual hip pain. He stuck the landing btw. Age 28.
Barry Collins
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JSH @ home  photo courtesy of Gabe Ostriker
I hereby apologize for responding to the troll, but ...

Last May I rapped off the end of my rope and decked from 30-40 feet. I landed on fairly flat dirt: about as lucky as you can get. I burst-fractured L1, and the broken pieces of bone went >75% of the way across my spinal canal. In other words: as close to paralyzed (and losing control of my bladder and bowel) as you can get. Also wedge-fx'd T6 and T7, and have a disc thing going on between L4 and L5.

That's just my spine. I also had a bad pleural effusion, a bruised heart, hip bursitis, meniscus damage to my knee, and oh yeah, broke my calcaneus.

Almost a year and six surgeries later, hardware in my spine, I'm still a bit gimpy from the foot injury but doing well mostly, and yep, been back out climbing.

All of my doctors have told me I'm far beyond lucky. I walk and talk, and that's not to be taken for granted. Someone said the 50% fatality mark is at 20 feet? Not sure. It highly depends on the landing. I hit dirt; if it were rocks I'd be dead.

You asked, and that's the damn answer. Laugh on away, troll.
JSH
Joined Apr 3, 2007
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Apr 6, 2012
troll?
troll?



Thats a tough answer, even if trolling. Even on a rope its possible to sustain serious injuries; ie. hitting a ledge, impacting the wall wrong, etc. From a height of 30 ft unroped you could sustain anything from minor scrapes, sprains, broken bones, to serious trauma and possibly death.

Almost reads like a drug commercial.

There are also more abnormal accidents. I was dropped 50ft from anchors to dirt up in Tensleep last year, and although the alignment of my sacroiliac joint is slightly out of line, I had no other injuries. I also heard of a woman in the Gunks who fell 70-80ft broke both legs, but was otherwise (read:spinal) uninjured.

I've unknowingly solo'ed a few short easy routes as well, and the second I start imagining the consequences is when I start getting scared.

"In all reality, what injuries could I have sustained? More so, was my fear justifiable or is this a height many good boulder/climbers can manage (off rope)?"---- Just because they do it doesnt mean everyone should. Honnold can solo Half Dome, please don't try it?
Avi Katz
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Apr 6, 2012
About half way up the East Arete on Illumination R...
In other words, OP.... a fall from 30' can seriously fuck you up. Don't do it (fall). Everything else is subject.. Ben Beckerich
From saint helens, oregon
Joined Jun 24, 2011
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Apr 6, 2012
Climbing in Smuggler's Notch
JSH wrote:
Someone said the 50% fatality mark is at 20 feet?


I'd always heard 30% of folks that fall from 30 feet die...but...can't find any reference to that...

I can't imagine falling for 30 feet and not getting at a minimum seriously hurt. And, google 30 foot fall and you'll get plenty of references to fatalities at that distance.

Cheers, Julie! Good to hear you're climbing again!
Brian in SLC
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Apr 6, 2012
FA of The Great Potato (a.k.a. Mt. Ore Ida), Withi...
Hey Lisa, since you've replied a few times on this thread that's enough to pretty much convince me you're not trolling.

Folks will jump to the conclusion that someone is trolling if the question has a seemingly obvious answer but is likely to elicit plenty of "spirited" responses nonetheless. In this case, it's obvious to most that a 30-foot fall is going to result in serious, life-lasting injuries or death. Be careful out there...the ground is super hard and very unforgiving.
Jason Halladay
From Los Alamos, NM
Joined Oct 19, 2005
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Apr 6, 2012
I just recently (last week) fell from a tree (aka, jumped to a lower branch that snapped) from about 20+ feet and landed on solid concrete. Landed on my back and didn't break anything. My shoulder hurts a lot and will probably need a month to recover.

yer gunna die....maybe...maybe not
Francisco Di Poi
From Boulder, CO
Joined Sep 11, 2009
26 points
Apr 6, 2012
Jason Halladay wrote:
it's obvious to most that a 30-foot fall is going to result in serious, life-lasting injuries or death.


That sums it up. "Obvious to most..." And that's why some thought you were trolling, Lisa.
FrankPS
From Atascadero, CA
Joined Nov 19, 2009
130 points
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Apr 6, 2012
JSH @ home  photo courtesy of Gabe Ostriker
Lisa, I apologize for being angry at you if you're real. You just registered last week, which is my biggest indication of being a troll or not, when you're asking this kind of a question. Obviously, I got very injured, so I'm pretty touchy about jerks trolling for something that is life & death for me.

I can tell you that I've been seen by more than a handful of docs at this point, and each and every one of them has raised their eyebrows and made sure to tell me how lucky I was. My knee doc knew the 50% height. Of course, the statistics on that aren't great ... I also think I read somewhere that the rate of spinal injury is HUGE at 30 ft. So not only is death pretty likely -- but if you do manage to live, it's overwhelmingly likely that your injuries will be very serious. You don't just pull a tendon or sprain a wrist.

Brian, GWI next winter for sure! Just had that last thing done a week ago, feeling pretty good.

I don't have words yet for what it was like to rappel the first time again.
JSH
Joined Apr 3, 2007
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Apr 6, 2012
J TREE
OUCH
OUCH


Although not 30'

Decked from 100' or so..........

Still walking,

Still climbing....
Jim Amidon
Joined Jun 12, 2001
927 points
Apr 6, 2012
So nice.
JSH wrote:
I hereby apologize for responding to the troll, but ... Last May I rapped off the end of my rope and decked from 30-40 feet. I landed on fairly flat dirt: about as lucky as you can get. I burst-fractured L1, and the broken pieces of bone went >75% of the way across my spinal canal. In other words: as close to paralyzed (and losing control of my bladder and bowel) as you can get. Also wedge-fx'd T6 and T7, and have a disc thing going on between L4 and L5. That's just my spine. I also had a bad pleural effusion, a bruised heart, hip bursitis, meniscus damage to my knee, and oh yeah, broke my calcaneus. Almost a year and six surgeries later, hardware in my spine, I'm still a bit gimpy from the foot injury but doing well mostly, and yep, been back out climbing. All of my doctors have told me I'm far beyond lucky. I walk and talk, and that's not to be taken for granted. Someone said the 50% fatality mark is at 20 feet? Not sure. It highly depends on the landing. I hit dirt; if it were rocks I'd be dead. You asked, and that's the damn answer. Laugh on away, troll.

This should answer all his questions.
A.P.T.
From Truckee,Ca
Joined Mar 18, 2006
1,113 points
Apr 6, 2012
Lisa would you expect to be able to jump off the roof of a two story house into rocks and walk away okay??? I had a hard time believing this was a serious question too.

You also know its a bad idea to walk into oncoming traffic, correct? That it is a bad idea to stick a fork in an electrical socket? etc...

I think we all just thought it was common sense that falling from 30 feet to rocks is bad and were unsure why someone would have to ask your question... I dont think you have to be a rock climber to figure out its a bad idea!
DexterRutecki
From Cincinnati, Ohio
Joined Mar 23, 2012
3 points
Apr 6, 2012
Climbing in Smuggler's Notch
Marty's 7 foot bouldering fall in LCC a couple years ago...

hip
hip
Brian in SLC
Joined Oct 6, 2003
11,031 points
Apr 6, 2012
Crux Move
When I was dumbass freshman I was climbing on our dorms and fell from the third story onto mulch and dirt. I compressed really hard, rolled, brushed off and walked away.

If I fell onto rocks I definitely would not have walked away so easily.

Sometimes you are lucky.
Phil Lauffen
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