So Ill kickstarter

Is it just me who thinks their shoes look like utter shite? Half of them have up turned soles ffs.

"So iLL is blending fashion and function"

Forget fashion, I need 100% functionality god dammit. If the shoes are anything like their climbing holds they will be falling apart in no time.

They look pretty lame. I am curious to see how the evolve and am curious about the rubber. Definitely won't be buying a pair.

What is wrong with an "up turned" shoe? Take a pair of "up turned" shoes place them on a flat surface and push the toe down....voila, the heel goes up! If the shoe is well made and has proper tension this is a natural position for your foot to be in while climbing.

Mike Brady wrote:They look pretty lame. I am curious to see how the evolve and am curious about the rubber. Definitely won't be buying a pair. What is wrong with an "up turned" shoe? Take a pair of "up turned" shoes place them on a flat surface and push the toe down....voila, the heel goes up! If the shoe is well made and has proper tension this is a natural position for your foot to be in while climbing.

Because they suck on anything remotely steep, it also means unless the shoe is like a board you will be smedging every single hold you come across, allot of five ten shoes are actually slightly up turned difference is they have an extremely aggressive heel so once your foot goes in the entire shoe takes on a much more aggressive shape.

that guy named seb wrote:Is it just me who thinks their shoes look like utter shite? Half of them have up turned soles ffs.

I think a few of their shoes are pretty sweet lookin. I think your acting like a Diva.

Granted they are just starting out and probably have a lot to learn... and I'm sure Tommy Caldwell won't be switching any time soon, but for the majority of us who climb sub 5.10.. I'm sure they would suffice just fine.

We should be supporting competition for the juggernauts of the climbing industry... it's good for just about EVERYBODY.

I know nothing about their holds, but you should climb on real rocks anyhow.

I think the all black ones that are downturned look pretty sweet. Am curious to see how they'll perform though, since this company has never made shoes before.

I think some of them look super cool. No idea how they'll perform of course.

Seems like hipsters into fashion over function. Will probably be a hit at the Denver Bouldering Club.

dave higdon wrote: I think a few of their shoes are pretty sweet lookin. I think your acting like a Diva. Granted they are just starting out and probably have a lot to learn... and I'm sure Tommy Caldwell won't be switching any time soon, but for the majority of us who climb sub 5.10.. I'm sure they would suffice just fine. We should be supporting competition for the juggernauts of the climbing industry... it's good for just about EVERYBODY. I know nothing about their holds, but you should climb on real rocks anyhow.

Are you saying the majority of climbers climb sub 5.10 or the majority of sub 5.10 climbers?
It's bad for nearly everyone allow me to list all the people it's bad for
1. new climbers, for people who have no idea what they are looking for a cool looking shoe that doesn't allow them anything to grow into is probably one of the worst things they could buy.
2. Experienced climbers, pushing shit shoes into the market at the same price as better performing shoes lowers the bar for how much you should be paying for a shoe at a a certain level of performance.
3. Other climbing shoe manufacturers, Years of R&D goes into most shoes on the market that or they are constantly changing and evolving into better shoes both of these are very very expensive compare that with So Ill who have just made some shoes that look good and performance is an after thought yet they still feel justified to charge what they do.

that guy named seb wrote: Are you saying the majority of climbers climb sub 5.10 or the majority of sub 5.10 climbers? It's not good for climbers who value performance over looks, and it's not good for pricing of things either pushing cheap shit into the market is not good for anyone, a shoe still needs to actually perform even at a low price point, it takes advantage of people who have no idea what they are looking for and just dilutes the pool of cheap low performance shoes.

I meant what I said.. "for the majority of us who climb sub 5.10"

Are you making an assload of assumptions about a product you have never used?? Or have you climbed in a pair? if so, I apologize and now allllllmost value your opinion... but not quite.

I am not saying their shoes are good, I am simply saying I think some of them look sweet and that I think we should keep an open mind until proven otherwise.

Not going to knock someone for trying. But also not giving up my Sportivas anytime soon. Because if these guys aren't bringing a game changer, they ain't gonna last, the market is flooded with the best possible shoes for any climbing scenario.

dave higdon wrote: I meant what I said.. "for the majority of us who climb sub 5.10" Are you making an assload of assumptions about a product you have never used?? Or have you climbed in a pair? if so, I apologize and now allllllmost value your opinion... but not quite. I am not saying their shoes are good, I am simply saying I think some of them look sweet and that I think we should keep an open mind until proven otherwise.

Making assumptions about a product is pretty easy when they say that making it fashionable was one of their big goals.

that guy named seb wrote: Making assumptions about a product is pretty easy when they say that making it fashionable was one of their big goals.

Your such a scrooge. Keep bein satisfied with getting the reach around from the big brands, but i'd prefer to at-least be open to supporting someone willing to take a chance.

Difference in philosophy I guess.. My opinion is based on more than just smearing capabilities. Climbing is not the end all be all in my world.

dave higdon wrote: Climbing is not the end all be all in my world.

I guess this is where we differ..

that guy named seb wrote: Because they suck on anything remotely steep, it also means unless the shoe is like a board you will be smedging every single hold you come across, allot of five ten shoes are actually slightly up turned difference is they have an extremely aggressive heel so once your foot goes in the entire shoe takes on a much more aggressive shape.

I think saying shoes with that shape suck at anything remotely steep is a bit over exaggerated.

In your experience, do the Galileo's take on a more aggressive position when you put your foot in them? I climbed almost exclusively in those things with pretty good results. Slab, vert, slightly overhanging, whatever I needed. Sure there are better shoes for super steep stuff but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Fashion? lulz, next you'll be showing me a dood with dreads & cute girl wearing them to sell me.

Mike Brady wrote: In your experience, do the Galileo's take on a more aggressive position when you put your foot in them? I climbed almost exclusively in those things with pretty good results. Slab, vert, slightly overhanging, whatever I needed. Sure there are better shoes for super steep stuff but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Personally haven't climbed in them but they have the classic five ten heel so i would imagine they would be very much like the anasazi vcs as far as the down turn goes.

The Runner and Street models are vegan. Vegan rock shoes can be hard to come by. My girlfriend is going to give them a try.

I thought it was weird that an established company has a Kickstarter. I usually see Kickstarter campaigns for people starting businesses in their vans, or in other words, people that don't have access to traditional sources of lending. SoIll already has a nice gym, a line of holds, chalk, bags, etc. If their shoe line is worth a damn, why couldn't they get a traditional loan to launch that department?

C. Archibald wrote:I thought it was weird that an established company has a Kickstarter. I usually see Kickstarter campaigns for people starting businesses in their vans, or in other words, people that don't have access to traditional sources of lending. SoIll already has a nice gym, a line of holds, chalk, bags, etc. If their shoe line is worth a damn, why couldn't they get a traditional loan to launch that department?

Kickstarter provides a ton of exposure.. this is a good example. It's a valid question though. Maybe less risk?

dave higdon wrote: Kickstarter provides a ton of exposure.. this is a good example. It's a valid question though. Maybe less risk?

No interest? I don't know enough about loans to know. I was generally interested.