Sky Pilot 

I love this route...I climbed it a bunch of times last season... It works well as a warm up for harder climbing due to the fact that the route is "long" but the hard part is brief...it is also worthy of the effort if 5.11 is your limit, just don't come unhinged when you have to run out the easy stuff after the crux...or bring some gear....

Sky Pilot is one of the few sport routes at Rumney that has one or two DO NOT FALL moves. The moves aren't hard, but you would certainly deck if you came off.

i seem to remember that one nut between the end of the well protected crux and the next ledge would make the route super safe... or was it a cam?

It's OK by me to retro bolt the upper portion. The climb was originally done w/ preplaced nuts on the lower half.

I dunno...after the stiff crux, the runout up top seems mild in comparison. if someone wants to bolt it, ok, but if you want to protect the top, and have the option to do it with gear, then why not do it that way?

Because it's Rumney. Make it safe.

I understand the desire to make it SAFER, but by that logic, why not put a bolt on Blueballs? That would sure make that safer. Anyway, that's a topic for the forum, which I'll gladly start.

So it was all originally climbed on gear, right? Why wasn't it just bolted from the get-go? Also, when it WAS bolted, why wasn't it bolted "safely," i.e. bolts protecting the upper half? Just wondering...

david start the forum post.. i would love to contribute.. :) for this route i agree with you...retro bolting it kinda seems like a cop out...plus if your climbing 5.11b and you cant climb the 5.6 run out... idk... that'd be a little strange...

mike he forum has been started under the sport climbing section it is titled retrobolting...

anyone that's climbing .llb shouldn't have a problem with that upper section. the spice factor adds to it and makes it a memorable climb. i'd leave her alone.

This route is awesome. I used to be for putting one more bolt post crux but after leading it I think it should be left as is. There is one or two more moves past the crux that you could fall from (due to pump) but you wouldn't deck. The only way I see decking as a potential is if you were to blow the move onto the ledge or falling while on the ledge. (Im not trying to reopen the discussion here just posting what I feel about the route so people know)

This route is pretty fun, though the 5.11 climbing is really just a traverse from the 2nd bolt clipping jug to the 3rd bolt clipping jug. The sequence of holds on the steep lower section makes for a nice flow of climbing though.

I think the route could benefit from a bolt between the 3rd bolt and the first piton. I imagine many people make it there with a good pump going, and it is certainly possible to fall on the way to the piton. Yeah, you can protect it with gear, but if all moves at Rumney that were protectable by gear were left unbolted, there would be a lot more mixed climbs and less sports climbs at Rumney!

Tried this route on 2nd September and could not figure out the crux between the second and third bolts. Was able to flash Arm and Hammer after failing so either a hold is gone or I really was missing something.

Also while pulling back onto the rock the big undercut at the start of the route came off in my hand! The hold that remains is still a good side pull and doesn't seem to have affected the start in any way.

Peter, the crux is definitely a bit sneaky so i bet you just missed it. was the hold that came off before the first bolt? or the undercling at the 2nd bolt?

Warning! - Beta Spoiler - there is a right foot hold which can be difficult to spot that is critical for me do the crux at grade.

I read the forum discussion about adding a bolt... was the last bolt ever added? I want to try this route but ground fall from 40 feet up makes me think twice.

I do not know for sure, since I have not been by 5.8 for over a year now, but my guess is a bolt has not been added. You can protect using a vertical crack after the 3rd bolt and a cam in the 0.5 to 0.75 BD size or a large nut (size 9 BD?). But holds on this climb tend to stay wet for quite a while and it was still very damp up at Rumney yesterday.
If you are looking for your next .11a/b, you are probably better off with climbs like Tropicana, Bullwinkle Craters, A Man with Heuco in His Pants, Three Easy Pieces. Stick clip the 1st bolt on all these climbs though. That said, you should not skip hard .10 climbs the likes of Peer Pressure, Centerpiece, Waimea, Clusterphobia, etc, etc on your way to these .11 climbs.

Thanks! I don't have any trad gear, so I'll stick to other routes.