"shoulder season" warm layer geek-out
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Ok, spending WAY too much time thinking about this but... |
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Patagonia piton? |
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Patagonia R1 Hoody + Patagonia Houdini (not the Alpine Houdini) should do unless you run really really cold. They weight next to nothing and extremely versatile. |
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Patagonia Piton Hybrid Hoody is the answer. |
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Same concept as the Piton is the Wild Things wind pro hoody. $40 cheaper but doesn't have the sewn reinforcements of the piton. Made in the US. |
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Second vote for the R1 and Houdini combo. It's a really versatile set-up for very little weight. Unzip the R1 while climbing, zip it up and thrown on the hood at belays as needed, add the Houdini when the wind picks up. |
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Kai Larson wrote:Patagonia Piton Hybrid Hoody is the answer.Jeremy and Kai how is the wind resistance on the piton? Have either of you also used the R1? |
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You're at the Gunks? Why don't you try rooting around in your closet, or maybe a thrift store. It ain't like you're skiing a polar ice cap. |
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Optimistic wrote: Jeremy and Kai how is the wind resistance on the piton? Have either of you also used the R1?Wind resistance is not that great. The wind resistant panels aren't that big. However, it's generally enough unless there's gale force winds. I've used the R1. Piton Hybrid is more wind resistant. |
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Optimistic wrote: Jeremy and Kai how is the wind resistance on the piton? Have either of you also used the R1?I use the R1 a lot. Personally, if it is 35-50 and short multi-pitch, I would wear the R1 and carry a light puffy. Single pitch, switch to a heavy puffy. Might as well stay warm and comfy at the crag. I don't have a piton, but it is supposed to be like a more wind resistant R1, so it seemed like another option for what you want. |
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Rob Dillon wrote:You're at the Gunks? Why don't you try rooting around in your closet, or maybe a thrift store. It ain't like you're skiing a polar ice cap. Edit: sorry, I know..if we don't buy more stuff the tairists win. Carry on.Shoot, did I leave the polar ice cap part out? That's in December. It actually DOES get kind of cold here, check this out! youtube.com/watch?v=iWyWRLK… Of course you're correct, Rob, and John Muir and Norman Clyde put us all to shame in terms of the gear they got after it with...but I think the world will keep turning if I'm a little cozier. Main thing is that I want something with a balaclava-like hood, because taking off my glasses on a small belay ledge to put on a balaclava has seemed kind of sketchy in the past, and a hoody seemed like a good way around that... |
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Yeah, that looks heinous. He gets a hoodie. |
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Rob Dillon wrote:Yeah, that looks heinous. He gets a hoodie. feedthehabit.com/outdoors/m…Christian gets after it for sure, many orders of magnitude beyond my little efforts. He will be stoked about the hoody! That Melanzana looks nice, but I think more airflow than I'm hoping for... |
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Optimistic wrote:Main thing is that I want something with a balaclava-like hood, because taking off my glasses on a small belay ledge to put on a balaclava has seemed kind of sketchy in the past, and a hoody seemed like a good way around that...You wear balaclava when climbing? My glasses always get fogged up with balaclava on. Honestly thought, you best bet is R1 Hoody + Houdini . They both come with close fitting hood (under the helmet). I think if you really run cold, then try on Nano and you are good to go. Both Houdini and Nano Hoody can be clip to your harness. |
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Optimistic wrote:Ok, spending WAY too much time thinking about this but... I'm trying to find the right jacket for colder fall weather here in the Gunks. 35-50 degrees is the range I'm trying to cover, with some wind resistance. I think I run a little chillier than other people, seem to need a little bit more warmth. Seems like there are lots of options for just warmth, but the wind part is what's giving me trouble. A couple of ideas I've gotten from here: -Patagonia Capilene 4 Hoody, add the OR Helium 2 jacket I already own over it if windy (downside 2 pieces, potential to get pretty hot when moving) -Arcteryx Fortrez Hoody supposedly offers some wind resistance, reportedly really good hood w/mask option, pretty expensive -Marmot Ether Driclime Hoody supposedly good breathability, good wind resistance, a little insulation, probably a little delicate. Really light. -Patagonia R1 and hopefully have its reputed warmth overwhelm its lack of wind resistance? -something else?Things I have... Pata cap 4 hoodie Pata R1 Marmot Ether Driclime Arcteryx atom LT Pata houdini - warmer days All great for the range you are talking about. I use the Pata cap 3 too to climb and skin in. Depending on what I'm doing I also have a marmot driclime vest. Pair that up with the cap 3 or 4 and it's kick ass. Depending on what I'm doing / climbing / skiing I mix and match up these combos. All of them have served me well in regards to warmth, weight, breathability, packability etc. |
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divnamite wrote: You wear balaclava when climbing? My glasses always get fogged up with balaclava on. Honestly thought, you best bet is R1 Hoody + Houdini . They both come with close fitting hood (under the helmet). I think if you really run cold, then try on Nano and you are good to go. Both Houdini and Nano Hoody can be clip to your harness.I have this very thin polypro balaclava that does a nice job of keeping my neck and ears warm. I don't usually cover my mouth when I wear it, so that keeps the foggage down. It's quite snug, though, so I have to take my glasses off to put it on which is a little nerve-wracking when way off the deck. |
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Scott McMahon wrote: Things I have... Pata cap 4 hoodie Pata R1 Marmot Ether Driclime Arcteryx atom LT Pata houdini - warmer days All great for the range you are talking about. I use the Pata cap 3 too to climb and skin in. Depending on what I'm doing I also have a marmot driclime vest. Pair that up with the cap 3 or 4 and it's kick ass. Depending on what I'm doing / climbing / skiing I mix and match up these combos. All of them have served me well in regards to warmth, weight, breathability, packability etc.Can you say a little more about the Ether? Looks like really good wind protection, but is it warm? Too warm? |
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I have nearly all the pieces you've mentioned (and then some) |
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Optimistic wrote: Shoot, did I leave the polar ice cap part out? That's in December. It actually DOES get kind of cold here, check this out! youtube.com/watch?v=iWyWRLK… Of course you're correct, Rob, and John Muir and Norman Clyde put us all to shame in terms of the gear they got after it with...but I think the world will keep turning if I'm a little cozier. Main thing is that I want something with a balaclava-like hood, because taking off my glasses on a small belay ledge to put on a balaclava has seemed kind of sketchy in the past, and a hoody seemed like a good way around that...Haha I love that you're still wearing your helmet and goggles in the car...I've done that after many long and hard days! |
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For the Gunks, R-1 all the way. I climb at the your crag (Gunks) year round. 30 and sunny, I'm totally happy in a black R-1 with a handwarmer in my chalk bag. It's not a very durable fabric, but mine has still lasted 5+ years. It's not great in wind, but how often is that an issue at the Gunks anyway? That garment is lightweight, warm, and feels natural when climbing. Plus, take off your base t-shirt and the R-1 is perfect for a dusk run on the carriage roads because it breathes so well. I've also worn the R-1 on many Red Rocks shiver-fests up Black Velvet wall. The chest zipper not only stores topos, it is also a good place for an extra body/hand warmer. |
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divnamite wrote:Patagonia R1 Hoody + Patagonia Houdini (not the Alpine Houdini) should do unless you run really really cold. They weight next to nothing and extremely versatile. Climb with Patagonia R1 Hoody when the wind is low, clip the Houdini to your harness. If wind picks up, put on the Houdini.Why not the Alpine? |