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By Bang
From Charlottesville, VA
Apr 25, 2013
Thanks Hank Caylor!
facebook.com/photo.php?v=59613...

"Attention Mountain Community: we need your help. Today, the individual in this video walked out of our store with a pair of La Sportiva Olympus Mons Evo boots size 44.5 without paying for them. He is shown in this video with the boots on his feet. The man is white, approximately 50 years old, 6'0" tall, 150 pounds and is missing his pinky and ring finger on his left hand, possibly from frostbite injury. These boots are really only useful on Denali and Everest, and the mountaineering community is small. Any accurate information about who this man is that leads to a police arrest will be rewarded with a $300 gift certificate to Neptune Mountaineering. Please call 303-499-8866 with any information. Thanks for your help."
at Neptune Mountaineering.

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By Ben Brotelho
From Albany, NY
Apr 25, 2013
Epic free solo with a pack on
That is fucked up, I really hope they catch the guy.

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By Jim Amidon
Apr 26, 2013
J TREE
Balls.......

The guy had a full sac........

Paid for some thing and walked right the F out.....

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By Ryan Williams
Administrator
From London (sort of)
Apr 26, 2013
El Chorro
Shoes are easy to steal. People try it in my shop all the time. They rarely have security tags on them so if you leave someone alone, they'll just wait for the right time and walk out the front door. This guy was smart enough to pay for something and was even calm enough to have a conversation w/ the sales assistant. He knew this would keep people from being suspicious. And if he got caught, he could always just say "Oh man, I completely forgot that I had them on! They are so comfortable!"

We keep security tags on our expensive boots. We take them off if the customer requests, but then we have to watch the person carefully. Shoplifting is A LOT more common than people think. The amount of money lost by our central London store over Christmas would blow your mind!

Great that you guys have cameras, but get some alarms on those boots! Hope you find the guy. You have much better odds of catching him than we do when we lose merchandise!

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By Eric G.
Apr 26, 2013
Sleeplessinnormandy wrote:
mate, here's what I recon: do like that preacher man did in les miserables and fogive those boots! fo-gi-v! That brother likely needed those and could not scrounge enough cash to fulfill that bucket dream of his..you recon? huh? peace my brother!


I am impressed by how generous you are with other people`s stuff.

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By Old and Busted
From Centennial, CO
Apr 26, 2013
Stabby
Better cameras in better spots and this is a closed case. Why bother with them at all if you get a grainy image?

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By Ben Brotelho
From Albany, NY
Apr 26, 2013
Epic free solo with a pack on
Looks like this guy is liable for a class 4 felony in Colorado, See numbers 26 or 29:

colorado.gov/cs/Satellite?blob...

Edit: looks like that has been amended to read it is only a class 4 felony if the value is $1000 to $15,000:

search.jurisearch.com/NLLXML/g...

and

state.co.us/gov_dir/leg_dir/ol...



So, if the store charges $1000+ for the boots, the guy could get: fine of at least $2,000, and at most $500,000...and here's the clincher: AT LEAST 2 years imprisonment, up to 6 years, and mandatory parole of 3 years.

If the boots cost less than $1000, then the guy could get, as a class 1 misdemeanor: 6-18 months in jail, and a fine of $100 to $5000.




It looks like the price is pretty close to a thousand, so hopefully this guy gets two years of jail to plan his next expedition...oh wait, I'm sure the parole board won't let him leave the state. Good thing there's plenty of climbing in Boulder area...he might have a hard time finding a partner though.


Also see:

search.jurisearch.com/NLLXML/g...

and

search.jurisearch.com/NLLXML/g...



Disclaimer: this could all be completely wrong, please do not depend on it for anything other than a cursory overview of what may happen to the guy when they catch him.

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By Ben Brotelho
From Albany, NY
Apr 26, 2013
Epic free solo with a pack on
Wow, if I'm right, the Colorado penal system is HARSH.

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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Apr 26, 2013
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after a day of cragging.
Sleeplessinnormandy wrote:
do like that preacher man did in les miserables




yeah mate
yeah mate

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By Jonathan Dull
From NC High County
Apr 26, 2013
Edge of a Dream
What do you mean possible shoplifting? Are you sure or not? Looks like this guy got the best of Neptune!

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By J1.
From Boulder, Colorado
Apr 26, 2013
Towliee
Neptunes should ask to see Chase and Wells Fargo's security videos during that time.. Maybe the Perp parked in that back lot near those banks? Could get a Veachle ID, or a better Pic?
Cameras everywhere these days..

I once caught a guy that stole some sunglasses off my bike as I was at a bank making a deposit.. I came out and the shades were gone.. So I went back in and asked if they had surveillance video out front of the bank.. Obviously they did, so I got a good ID on the dude, and his girlfriend, and tracked them down 20 blocks to the Pearl Street mall.. Long story short, I got my shades back!


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By David Sahalie
From on the road again
Apr 26, 2013
Dude should be arrested simply for not buying from REI on credit then returning before the bill comes.

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By Locker
From Yucca Valley, CA
Apr 26, 2013
...
"Do you know this dude?".


Yeah! He's the dude that's smarter than everyone at Neptune's.

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By Jonathan Dull
From NC High County
Apr 26, 2013
Edge of a Dream
Locker wrote:
Yeah! He's the dude that's smarter than everyone at Neptune's.

YEP!

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By Cale Hoopes
From Sammamish, WA
Apr 26, 2013
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Ok, so Olympus Mons. So, he's gonna go climb Everest? Dude, I don't know about you but there's lots of superstition when it comes to that kind of danger, right? So, what kind of awesome karma might you have wearing stolen boots to walk over crevasse ladders.

Good luck dude.

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By Jeff Kent
From Sedona, Az
Apr 26, 2013
Locker wrote:
"Do you know this dude?". Yeah! He's the dude that's smarter than everyone at Neptune's.


Haha! Nailed it!

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By SendaGorilla
From Boulder
Apr 26, 2013
Sleeplessinnormandy wrote:
mate, here's what I recon: do like that preacher man did in les miserables and fogive those boots! fo-gi-v! That brother likely needed those and could not scrounge enough cash to fulfill that bucket dream of his..you recon? huh? peace my brother!



Hmmmmmmmm. The ONLY person on the thread that seems to sympathize with said Boot Thief!??
AND he JUST signed up for an account YESTERDAY???

Hey Sleeplessinnormandy??...you headin' over the Himalaya anytime soon...maybe June/July-ish??
hahaha

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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Apr 26, 2013
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "Alan Nelson's Bulging Belly" (5.10, X) on the Lost and Found Flatiron. Belayer is Mark Ruocco. Photo by Bill Wright, 10/06.
SendaGorilla wrote:
Hmmmmmmmm. The ONLY person on the thread that seems to sympathize with said Boot Thief!?? AND he JUST signed up for an account YESTERDAY??? Hey Sleeplessinnormandy??...you headin' over the Himalaya anytime soon...maybe June/July-ish?? hahaha

Trolls don't climb, they are cavers.

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By SendaGorilla
From Boulder
Apr 26, 2013
Tony B wrote:
Trolls don't climb, they are cavers.


HAHAHAHAH.....that was ripe Tony B.....almost spit my coffee all over the screen! lol

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By teece303
From Highlands Ranch, CO
Apr 26, 2013
Aiding.
Tony B wrote:
Trolls don't climb, they are cavers.


That is truly awesome.

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By NepRep
Apr 26, 2013
Hey folks,

A little background information. I understand we live in a harsh world and things like these might not matter in the bigger scheme of things. But back in the day at least Boulder was a community and the climbing and mountaineering world were communities too. And there is a human side to it too. This guy came into the shop and certainly talked the talk. The girl who was helping him out is a darn good boot fitter and she takes her job very seriously. Getting a boot for Everest is serious business - mess it up and people lose limbs. She went through a 30-minute process to get him in the right boot. Lots of boots tried on, messing with sizes, making sure the toe room was right. It's not like trying on a pair of Crocks. A millimeter or two off and you can lose toes. Yeah, we're certainly aware of shop lifters but it doesn't dictate our every step. The man told her he was a physician up on Everest, talked about how beautiful the mountain was and knew enough details to be credible. He asked to walk around in the boots and where the bathroom was. This is a normal request - especially during an hour long Olympus Mons fit - and we don't require our employees to follow people into the bathroom. Maybe we should - I don't know. The relationship had been established and climbing is a sport where trust is paramount...as a store we hold to this climbing credo. We treat folks like adults. While he was "going to the bathroom" the sales clerk woman was checking for him what kind of heel lifts we had and other methods to make this boot exceptional for him. When she went looking for him it wasn't to bust him but to find out what his feet were doing so she could make the boots better. Of course, he'd already left the store, careful to not show his feet to our register clerk, with his pants zipped up well over the boots. When she found out what happened she was devastated to tears and it wasn't really about the thousand bucks. It was about the breach of trust. Perhaps that's silly. Maybe we should all be cynical and clinical in the way we do business, but personally I don't want the climbing and mountaineering world to become like that. It's about trust, honesty and doing the right thing. We're not trying to create a lynch mob here, but we do want that breach of trust acknowledged. Yeah, it would be great to get the boots back, but more than anything I want him to apologize to our sales clerk for breaking a simple code of life. If you're reading this sir, that your way out of this situation. Come in, return the boots, apologize, do the right thing starting now.

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By Happiegrrrl
From Gunks
Apr 26, 2013
NepRep - I understand how that girl feels. I used to be a jewelry salesperson at JCPenney, and one night as I was closing up our displays I noticed that one of the 14K gold bracelets which would have needed to go in the safe was gone....

It was a $2500 bracelet, and someone had apparently reached around, opened the cabinet, and slipped away with the piece. I was devastated that it had happened "on my watch" and insisted the night manager call main one right away. He didn't, but the next day I was into the store at opening to speak with him. I felt responsible, as no doubt your clerk does, even though it was not her fault. It is not a good feeling to have.

In my case, it ended up being an inside job, believe it or not(not saying this was the case at Neptunes yesterday). One of our managers had developed a bit of a sniffle(cocaine problem), and he had been stealing jewelery while covering our shifts at break. My loss was noticed immediately, as detailed, but at inventory time, our department was SO far off we had to do a second inventory with specialists. Then...the film began to be reviewed and the truth came out. Everyone was shocked that one of our favorite managers had been betraying our trust for the last several months.

Hope you do find this thief and prosecute. And that your clerk does understand that the thief seemed to have had a plan, and took advantage of her. She did nothing wrong.

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By Buff Johnson
Apr 26, 2013
smiley face
sensor triggered c-4 charges on the boot soles should do the trick; blow the ass end of that hippopotamus right over the store.

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By Christiney
From Wheat Ridge, CO
Apr 26, 2013
Horseman
Sleeplessinnormandy wrote:
mate, here's what I recon: do like that preacher man did in les miserables and fogive those boots! fo-gi-v! That brother likely needed those and could not scrounge enough cash to fulfill that bucket dream of his..you recon? huh? peace my brother!



Is that sarcasm or trolling? I'm gonna say sarcasm, w/ the crazy accent. Obviously these boots are not like a loaf of bread, not in cost and not in purpose. No one really needs to climb Everest. That is not to say we should all be stealing bread. No forgiveness now... maybe forgiveness in the heart (so this perp doesn't hurt your piece of mind), but action needs to be taken regardless otherwise no one will manufacture or sell anything (if it can all be stolen w/o consequence) and we will have to make our own gear out of hemp and dirt.

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By Ryan Williams
Administrator
From London (sort of)
Apr 26, 2013
El Chorro
NepRep wrote:
Hey folks, A little background information. I understand we live in a harsh world and things like these might not matter in the bigger scheme of things. But back in the day at least Boulder was a community and the climbing and mountaineering world were communities too. And there is a human side to it too. This guy came into the shop and certainly talked the talk. The girl who was helping him out is a darn good boot fitter and she takes her job very seriously. Getting a boot for Everest is serious business - mess it up and people lose limbs. She went through a 30-minute process to get him in the right boot. Lots of boots tried on, messing with sizes, making sure the toe room was right. It's not like trying on a pair of Crocks. A millimeter or two off and you can lose toes. Yeah, we're certainly aware of shop lifters but it doesn't dictate our every step. The man told her he was a physician up on Everest, talked about how beautiful the mountain was and knew enough details to be credible. He asked to walk around in the boots and where the bathroom was. This is a normal request - especially during an hour long Olympus Mons fit - and we don't require our employees to follow people into the bathroom. Maybe we should - I don't know. The relationship had been established and climbing is a sport where trust is paramount...as a store we hold to this climbing credo. We treat folks like adults. While he was "going to the bathroom" the sales clerk woman was checking for him what kind of heel lifts we had and other methods to make this boot exceptional for him. When she went looking for him it wasn't to bust him but to find out what his feet were doing so she could make the boots better. Of course, he'd already left the store, careful to not show his feet to our register clerk, with his pants zipped up well over the boots. When she found out what happened she was devastated to tears and it wasn't really about the thousand bucks. It was about the breach of trust. Perhaps that's silly. Maybe we should all be cynical and clinical in the way we do business, but personally I don't want the climbing and mountaineering world to become like that. It's about trust, honesty and doing the right thing. We're not trying to create a lynch mob here, but we do want that breach of trust acknowledged. Yeah, it would be great to get the boots back, but more than anything I want him to apologize to our sales clerk for breaking a simple code of life. If you're reading this sir, that your way out of this situation. Come in, return the boots, apologize, do the right thing starting now.


Fair enough. I think anyone who's ever worked at a shop would feel for the girl (and for your shrinkage report). It's horrible when you see first hand how ugly the world can be. But hopefully you've learned a lesson.

I'm sure your local climbing community is as tight as ever. This guy just isn't a part of that community. People like him are a dime a dozen, and by sounding off about how tight your community is and how much you trust people, you are just asking for more guys like this to come and rip you off. Yea, it sucks, but that is the way the world works. Protect what's yours or lose it. No matter where you live.

No one is saying the girl should have followed him into the bathroom (or done anything different than she did). But you should have had security tags on the boots. You do use them right?

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By Buff Johnson
Apr 26, 2013
smiley face
Caprinae monkey wrote:
... No one really needs to climb Everest.


nobody really does climb Everest anyway

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