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Same As It Ever Was 

YDS: 5.11a/b French: 6c Ewbanks: 23 UIAA: VIII- British: E3 5c

Type:  Trad, Sport, 70'
Consensus:  YDS: 5.11b French: 6c Ewbanks: 23 UIAA: VIII- British: E3 5c [details]
FA: Bob D & Greg Hand
New Route: Yes
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Submitted By: Ron Olsen on Aug 8, 2007
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    Getting past the first bolt is the crux. Great climbing up the scoop/corner. Great rock and cool moves. Should be popular.


    Climb up the obvious gully about 75 feet left of The Threshold to the start.


    Four bolts and small to medium cams.
    Rap from a two bolt anchor.

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    By Greg Hand
    From: Golden, CO
    Aug 9, 2007

    Climb carefully past the loose block near the 3rd bolt. We will remove it when the heat stroke index drops and we have more people because of the nearness to the road. It is easy to avoid, just be aware.

    By Jay Eggleston
    From: Littleton
    Apr 10, 2014
    rating: 5.11b 6c 23 VIII- E3 5c

    The crux on this is certainly at about the first bolt. The bolt will be hard to clip if you are short, and if you fall doing the crux, it seems like the bolt is barely high enough to keep you from hitting the rock below.