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Nov 16, 2012
One of the great things about Mountain Project is the fact that itís a database and the information can be sorted in a wide variety of ways. Periodically folks post up info about a loose bolt, or an anchor on route so and so that is wearing out, but that information rapidly becomes buried in the data. It would seem useful if a separate tag could be established for hardware repairs and maybe even things like loose rock too.

Having a single place to search would make it a lot easier for those of us with the time and energy to put some good ASCA or ARI hardware to use. Then, if the completion of these tasks could be recorded too, subsequent climbers would know that some manky situation was now corrected.

Not sure how difficult this would be to do in the site, but it would be good to have a single sorted extract for the pending and completed projects as well as a link back to the original routes too. Admins??? Thoughts????
Tzilla Rapdrilla
Joined Jan 20, 2006
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Nov 16, 2012
Me and Spearhead
I'm too brain dead right now to be of any use, other than to say this is the best new idea for MP that I've heard in a long time.
Great idea TR.
Brent Apgar
From Out of the Loop
Joined Oct 20, 2007
143 points
Nov 17, 2012
Bucky
Agreed. This is an excellent idea. J. Albers
From Colorado
Joined Jul 11, 2008
2,223 points
Nov 17, 2012
Nick Stayner near the crux. Ryan Minton photo.
I think it's a cool idea too. Nick Stayner
From Billings, MT
Joined Mar 6, 2006
2,590 points
Nov 17, 2012
gg
The ACE board has something like this in the works (for Eldo routes). The Mountain Project database could be a good home for it. Gregger Man
Joined Aug 15, 2004
780 points
Nov 17, 2012
Summit of Mt. Langley
I like it! Justin Tomlinson
From Monrovia, CA
Joined Apr 4, 2010
334 points
Nov 17, 2012
thats the bestest idea to come out of here in a LONG while ...

you dont even need a separate system ... just add a table in the regular route description where people can add the status of the gear/route
bearbreeder
Joined Mar 1, 2009
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Nov 17, 2012
Stairway to Heaven
Wasn't this the reason for being able to comment on route descriptions? Maybe what's really needed is the ability for users to rate comments and search for the most helpful ones, similar to Amazon reviews. I'm not sure that we really need a new data field, the issue is being able to sort through all of the comments that are already there. Martin le Roux
From Superior, CO
Joined Jul 16, 2003
177 points
Nov 17, 2012
The Cathedral Spires in RMNP, left to right: Stile...
Martin le Roux wrote:
Wasn't this the reason for being able to comment on route descriptions?


When you post a comment on a route description, you are given the option to list your "route condition" which is similar to what Tzilla is suggesting. The main problem with that is that each "condition report" only stays up for three months. If it takes longer than that for manky gear to be replaced, the three-month limit defeats the purpose of informing people about said manky gear.

Martin wrote:
Maybe what's really needed is the ability for users to rate comments and search for the most helpful ones, similar to Amazon reviews. I'm not sure that we really need a new data field, the issue is being able to sort through all of the comments that are already there.


I think this would be helpful considering some of the comments are more than ten years old. And there is often times a lot of extraneous info in the comments, especially on the trade routes.
Marc H
From Lafayette, CO
Joined May 10, 2007
280 points
Nov 18, 2012
Nick Stayner near the crux. Ryan Minton photo.
Martin le Roux wrote:
Wasn't this the reason for being able to comment on route descriptions? Maybe what's really needed is the ability for users to rate comments and search for the most helpful ones, similar to Amazon reviews. I'm not sure that we really need a new data field, the issue is being able to sort through all of the comments that are already there.


I think the reasoning behind Tzilla's suggestion is to have the information separated and centralized so it's more actionable. The rating idea you bring up wouldn't do anything for a person looking to get out and replace hardware. They'd still have to weed through all the individual routes etc...

I think a list within a given area would work best (a running list page for Tensleep for example, located w/in the Tensleep area overview page?).
Nick Stayner
From Billings, MT
Joined Mar 6, 2006
2,590 points
Nov 19, 2012
As Nick mentioned, the main thrust of my point was to have the repair needs sorted and separated by area/region/state so that they are easy to access. If it's a Friday & I'm about to hit Clear Creek for a Saturday, I'd like to be able to quickly find out if anything needs some work without sifting through all of the route comments.

There may also be other good ideas, such as Martin's that would add value to the site in other ways. The anecdotal information could be scored or rated by users too, thus making MP just that much better.
Tzilla Rapdrilla
Joined Jan 20, 2006
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Nov 19, 2012
Stabby
I kind of picture a wish-list type data base, maybe with a bomb system to rate how dire the need is, so the most obvious rise to the top. This could also serve as a good introduction to rockcraft for newer generations to learn from the elders before we totally fall apart. Mike Lane
From Centennial, CO
Joined Jan 21, 2006
839 points
Nov 19, 2012
I think this is an awesome idea. I hate coming across anchors without rappel rings as much as the next guy, so I'd be more than willing to buy and hang some hardware to fix it if it's in an area that I'll be in anyways. Ian Stewart
Joined May 17, 2010
166 points
Feb 5, 2013
Ellingwood Point Summit, Little Bear in the backgr...
bump! Nate Reno
From Highlands Ranch, CO
Joined Oct 24, 2008
36 points
Feb 5, 2013
Bugaboos, 1978 Photo by Ken Trout
Great idea! Kirk Miller
From Golden, CO
Joined May 13, 2003
1,553 points
Feb 5, 2013
Like bear said.. maybe somenote that can be put in next to route description ?? "updated anchors"

Would that have to be done by an admin ??
john strand
From southern colo
Joined May 22, 2008
2,274 points
Feb 5, 2013
Ellingwood Point Summit, Little Bear in the backgr...
Problem with that is: If you're one of the few that's maintaining routes, heading out for a weekend and bringing hardware, you want to find routes that are in need of work. Manually sifting thru potentially hundreds of routes in whatever area you're heading to is not realistic.

Something like a new forum might provide a more convenient, shorter list to look through. Maybe another option similar to what john suggests, is some sort of searchable maintenance type field(s) added to the route database, and also the question as to whether or not this could be updated by everyone, or only admins.
Nate Reno
From Highlands Ranch, CO
Joined Oct 24, 2008
36 points
Feb 5, 2013
One other thought I had was for folks just to list the need and the route name on the main page for the overall area, i.e. Clear Creek Canyon. It would be nice to see an Admin weigh in here about the IT logistics associated with all of this. Tzilla Rapdrilla
Joined Jan 20, 2006
1,062 points
Site Landlord
Feb 5, 2013
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We are slowly working on this. We now have a "fixed hardware database", and we've added over 1,000 things (mostly bolts) from ACE's database (Action Committe for Eldorado). For example, at the top of this page there is a short list of fixed hardware:
mountainproject.com/v/the-nake...

And a link to this page:
mountainproject.com/scripts/Ha...

And you can see all the fixed hardware on this entire wall:
mountainproject.com/scripts/Ha...

As you can see, hardware can be assigned a "current condition", so we can identify what needs work.

Someday we'll make a tool where you can get a list of all the hardware in poor condition in a given area.
Nick Wilder
From The Bubble
Joined Jan 1, 2005
1,748 points
Feb 5, 2013
github would work really well for this kind of thing. Don't rebuild the wheel. GLD
Joined Jan 19, 2012
97 points


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