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By RockyMtnTed
Jan 21, 2013

Just went to rocktown for the first time last weekend. What is up with the bathroom situation there? Its pretty ridiculous and sad the locals don't have more respect for the land to try to get something done.

There is a fancy new guidebook which literally every group was carrying around but no money that is available to be put towards a bathroom? The camping was cool but the entire opposite side of the road you camp on was FILLED with shit piles every. Disgusting and the locals should be ashamed... The trailhead also has no restroom. Im fine with shitting in the woods but with the crowds that place sees its pretty crazy none of the locals have took it upon themselves to try to get a bathroom put in. Oh well I am happy to shit all over your land if you guys are fine with it. Awesome to see a few piles of shit covered with just TP on the downhill side of most of the boulders as well!

Awesome the camping is basically free($3) but I would be happy to pay an extra two bucks to have a bathroom. Maybe there was a restroom I was missing? But every morning you could see a train of people walking across the road to poop in the woods...


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By RockyMtnTed
Jan 22, 2013

Seems like no one cares... Cool I will not feel bad about shitting all over the place then, Ill just put some TP over it and no one will notice!


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By David Barbour
From Longmont, CO
Jan 22, 2013

I've never been, but it does sound like a problem now that there's a guidebook and much more traffic.


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By Dustin Drake
Jan 22, 2013

Freaking hilarious post. Would read again. 4 stars :P


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By todd w
Jan 22, 2013

This post violated Rule #1. It has been removed by Mountain Project.


By Blake Cash
Jan 22, 2013

...so why don't you call the Georgia DNR and file a complaint instead of whining on the internet?


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By RockyMtnTed
Jan 22, 2013

Blake Cash wrote:
...so why don't you call the Georgia DNR and file a complaint instead of whining on the internet?


Because I probably won't be back for years. I already said its not my climbing area and I am happy to do whatever, I just think its sad the local climbers have not gotten together and done anything about it. If it was my local area I wouldn't want people shitting all over it.


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By Dustin Drake
Jan 22, 2013

It's a bouldering destination. A bunch of shirtless, beanie wearing teenagers don't really care about there being shit everywhere.

Oh snap.

(the original post has a very good point)


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By Jeremy Hand
Jan 23, 2013
slopey

i'd bet that the reason there are no bathrooms is because up until the guidebook was published there was not enough traffic to warrant it.


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By DanP
From Georgia
Jan 23, 2013
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I prefer to start my day with a bowel movement at the base of the waterfall at Lost Wall whilst reading the local newspaper. It is quite peaceful and very elegant. No need to bring toilet paper either because you have your own natural bidet. Although, it can be rather cold for you genitalia.


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By R.Walters
Jan 23, 2013

RockyMtnTed wrote:
.. its not my climbing area ..

Sure it is.

I think you should take Blake's advice. Just a quick call or message to express your interest in the area and your willingness to pay an extra couple bucks to help put the poo where it belongs.
FWIW

2592 Floyd Springs Road,
Armuchee, GA 30105; (706)295-6041.
Crockford-Pigeon Mountain Wildlife Management Area
Armuchee Ranger District
806 E. Villanow St.
PO Box 465
Lafayette, GA, 30728
Phone: 706-638-1085

Armuchee & Cohutta Ranger Districts Ranger:
Debbie Whitman
Telephone: 706-695-6737
3941 Hwy. 76
Chatsworth, GA 30705


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By Ryan Williams
Administrator
From London (sort of)
Jan 23, 2013
El Chorro

Are there seriously no locals here who can answer Ted's questions? I for one would like to know why this place that I've heard so much about has a shit problem.


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By Travis Dustin
From Hollis, NH
Jan 24, 2013
NH

No one take this the wrong way but maybe its just the area/ community. I went to shaking rock in Georgia (which is very small and im sure doesnt see too many climbers) but there was poo and graffiti all over. I said to myself "Wow this would not fly in my region. There would be a crew of people scrubbing the rock and making sure it wasnt a poo field.


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By Swamp Cookie
From da Bayou
Jan 24, 2013
Big Alligator.

Welcome to the Dirty South.


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By DanP
From Georgia
Jan 24, 2013
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You clean the spray paint off the rock and you create a new blank canvas for the local white trash to come paint how much they love their girlfriend, how much they love Jesus, and how much they hate every other race. I've wondered a lot about what kind of solution would actually work. You surely can't afford to hire someone to police the the place 24/7. What suggestions do you have?


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By The Stoned Master
Administrator
From Pennsylvania
Jan 24, 2013
Day Lily.

R. Walters posted some info previously in this thread. Start by contacting the land managers. We have a similar issue (no shitting though) here at a crag in Central, PA where the locals (and possibly climbers) just trash the place in every way minus physical damage to the rock. I wrote to the land manager (state forest) and asked if they realized the atrocities and what can I do to help? I pointed out there was no trash can (can the state supply one?) to start with. I threw some suggestions but your thoughts mean nothing unless you contact the people with power! If the climbing community (even just a few effort givers) and the land managers work together (both apply effort) it'll be a win-win for sure.Good luck!


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By The Stoned Master
Administrator
From Pennsylvania
Jan 24, 2013
Day Lily.

To answer the question though: the specifics don't matter at first on what to do at the site. Start by contacting the managers and work together from there.


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By Maurice Chaunders
Jan 24, 2013
Colombian Crack

+2 for Post by R. Walters.

When you poop underwater it's called a thunder dunk.

+1 for dogs who eat poo


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By RockyMtnTed
Jan 26, 2013

I guess I just think its kind of lame that guidebook authors can put out a shiny new guidebook that attracts all kinds of visitors to the area but aren't responsible for the ensuing shit that comes with it. I think the book mentioned that $2 of every book goes back to the SECC, it would be nice if that money went directly towards getting that place a bathroom.

I have climbed all over the SE and have never seen an area as covered in shit piles as that place. Kind of rediculous, I will email or call the people listed above but it will probably be 3 or 4 years before I ever make it back there. It would be nice if some of the regulars stepped up and got something done.


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By Mark O'Neal
From Nicholson, GA
Jan 27, 2013
1st trad lead - Northern Pillar at the Gunks

Travis Dustin wrote:
No one take this the wrong way but maybe its just the area/ community. I went to shaking rock in Georgia (which is very small and im sure doesnt see too many climbers) but there was poo and graffiti all over. I said to myself "Wow this would not fly in my region. There would be a crew of people scrubbing the rock and making sure it wasnt a poo field.


You came all the way to GA and went to Shaking Rock? I promise this is a relatively "human poo free zone". Certainly some underwhelming bouldering.


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By trad4eva
Jan 27, 2013

I think areas with this much traffic should go through closed periods to allow changes to be made (bathroom construction) and vegetation to recover, poo go away. Rocktown, LRC and HP are trashed and whether you are building bathrooms or putting in fancy stone steps.. that many people just can't be good for one area.


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By Swamp Cookie
From da Bayou
Feb 1, 2013
Big Alligator.

Maybe Rocktown could use one of these.
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By trad4eva
Feb 1, 2013

The unfortunate fact is that you could put one of those in at the trail head but if the moment arises while out on the scoop or even the orb.. they (climbers) are not going to walk all the way back to the trail head. Thus continuing to fill the Pigeon Mtns with poo and TP. Just close it down for a couple of years is what I say. Think about what kind of cesspool Rocktown is going to be in 10 years.


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By Langlois
From NYC
Feb 1, 2013

I have to disagree. While it has been a few years since I have been there (2007ish when it there was probably far less excrement), I think that having restrooms available at the campgrounds would alleviate not only the extreme amount of waste there, but deeper in as well. Yes people will still defecate out near the orb even with bathrooms at the trail head but it will occur far less frequently if they have a good option before leaving for the morning/afternoon (ie right after morning coffee/food/...).

But I will agree without some intervention the out look is not so good...


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By mcp
From tallahassee
Feb 18, 2013

the last time i was at the red, roadside was open and the place was trashed. climbers are trashing these places! dig a hole, use a bag, clean up after yourself.


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