www.saveredrock.com

Super awesome- Thanks for posting!

Will "rockin' rad music" save Red Rock? I think maybe people taking less shits in the pullouts would be more beneficial.

If I don't go does that mean that I don't care about Red Rock. I feel that I need to check with the MP.com community to make sure that I am doing the right thing, especially after I learned my trail day lesson.

sounds awesome! i'll be there.

You guys should read what these guys stand for before jumping in with serious support. Among other things, park gates on route 159 for greater BLM control. (Certainly not what I want!) Anyway-- check 'em out . . .

No organization is going to be perfect in what they're promoting. It's hard to please everyone. One of the biggest threats right now to Red Rock is Rhodes, and the Save Red Rock folks seem to be fighting strong enough to at least gain some support from me on that matter.

entry booths at both ends of a one-way road doesn't make sense to me. wouldn't that be an entry booth and an exit booth?



seriously. am i missing something? is this also an implied effort to switch the road to two-ways? or are they simply going to spend money to slow us down and wave us on as we leave the park each day?

the truck driver seems like an isolated incident while i would have thought that public policy would be steered in the direction of the common, day-to-day experience at the conservation area. what i'm saying is that i would think policy would seek ALLEVIATING traffic versus increasing it with an exit booth check-out process. also, with a posted entry gate, i see no need to check that visitors have paid as they exit because they can't enter without paying. i also do not see how visiting rangers as you exit the park would increase your conservation efforts prior to that experience (if you spray paint, feed burros, or blaze social braided trails, whats the point of being warned not to do it as you EXIT?)

all just thinking out loud as i try to digest this new news.


thanks for the info!


jon

Jon,

Entry gates for SR-159. Not the scenic loop.

They want the access restrictions expanded. Something similar to the Valley of Fire and Lake Mead type situation. Think entrance gate somewhere just beyond Albertson's on Charleston and another one on the other end of SR-159 as you would head towards Blue Diamond off of SR-160.

At least that's the way I understand it from the link I posted above.

Oh, duh! Lol... Thanks mr. Stacy!

Re: The proposed entrance/exit gates-booths on Nevada State Route 159.

Sounds like it'll be similar to the booths in places such as Joshua Tree NP, Zion NP, and Valley Of Fire etc.. in which before, and after hours you can drive through with no problem. They'll only card you, or enforce the fee during business hours. Since 159 is a state highway, they won't be able to lock folks out from accessing SR-159, except for the required entrance fee when the park is manned. I don't think it'll affect hikers, and climbers "that much" for those of us with passes who want to hike in at First Creek Canyon's, or Oak Creek's trailhead from the highway before the park opens, although I can see the BLM wanting to ticket cars left there after hours, if one didn't have a late exit permit. I dunno.

The main problem I foresee, is major traffic jams on 159, and 160 from the numerous folks from Pahrump that utilize SR-159 regularly to commute to, and from work in Vegas during normal BLM business hours. Just look already how as little as 2, or 3 cars can cluster-fuck up the booths we have entering into the loop road, causing painful jams for those of us in a rush. ; ). Imagine the commuters on SR-159 being in a hurry to get to work, or to get home, stuck in back of the tourists asking several dumb questions. Talk about potential for road rage! Pahrumpians don't play! Yikes!

Gates at the ends of SR-159 is BAD, BAD, BAD idea! Just say NO, NO, NO to more government restriction. Don't we have enough of that already? Everyone who utilizes a roadway, and that goes for any roadway, does so at their own risk and peril. Government intervention is NEVER the answer. Period end of story. If you want to stop Rhodes, then vote out the corrupt Count Commissioners that do his bidding. Elect people who will represent us instead.

We have a huge, active bicyclist community here in Vegas who frequents SR-159, and RRCNCA; I'm wondering if they're one of the main user groups pushing the SR-159 gate thing, besides the extreme Sierra Club folks. I am also curious of how informed the folks in Pahrump are of what the Save Red Rock organization is proposing; seems like the many commuters from Pahrump would be livid, and highly against being charged a fee by the BLM on a state highway that they utilize to get to, and from work.

Edit to add: Are the Save Red Rock folks pushing the extreme of more government control of SR-159 with extending the boundaries of the RRCNA in order to make it harder for developers, and greedy, corrupt politicians to come that close to RRCNCA ever again??? If that's the case, I'd rather see the SR-159 entrance/exit booths which can possibly protect Red Rock from the encroachment of housing developments. Just a thought that crossed my mind.

I agree with John-

1. Gates on SR-159 most likely will never be approved.

2. The Save Red Rock organization is fighting strong, and hard against Rhodes.

3. This thread should be about Rockin out for Red Rock which, right now, I support the Save Red Rock folks in their cause.

Climbers are a funny, and opinionated bunch of creatures, aren't we? ; )

Jennifer, again, thanks for posting, and I'll tell all my friends.

I'm all for staging a concert in protest of the toll booths on Hwy 159! Fight the power!

That's right, don't be a useful idiot. The real issue is freedom and access. This effort will not stop Rhodes. He has the Law and the Courts on his side. His trucks will be allowed to go around the gates. Ten years from now you will be sitting at the gate with your faded "Save Red Rock" bumper sticker, paying some schmuck five bucks and asking yourself, "What the hell was I thinking?" Or better yet, as Homer Simpson would put it "Doh!"

The real issue for me has been to prevent Rhodes from building 7,000 homes on top of Blue Diamond Hill which is adjacent to the Red Rock Conservation Area. I have been to all of the public County Commisioner meetings regarding this issue since 2003 and never once has putting park gates/toll booths on either end of senic route 159 has ever been mentioned. Gating on 159 is not the reason why we are holding this event!!! Please come to the show and have some fun. There is going to be three bands: Sara Patterson Band, Mama Zeus, and Najja Dread and Lion Pride.

Please note that Rhodes is salavating over the BLM mine road that is accessed from scenic route 159. If he is granted access, then we could see endless construction vehicles on 159 for many years to come.
In my opinion that would really suck... F%ck Mr. Rhodes and his lawyers too.