Respecting closures and your fellow climbers.
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Climbing feet from the closed sign
We forgot about the seasonal closure for wintering animals that is in effect during the winter months ending 4/1. Lots of these pretty, new, bright yellow CLOSED signs along the road. Didn't get to climb. Did get to witness incredible acts of selfishness and stupidity. There were no less than 4 parties on the Dry Wall and Roadside crag. These two took the cake! Please respect closures and your fellow climbers. We lose access because of this kind of behavior. Go! |
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Carl, did you help them read the sign??? |
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Go? Why didn't you say something then and there? |
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Addendum: It takes balls and is a scary thing to do for sure. But you gotta keep your cool and if they get mad or confrontational just leave. |
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Actually this brings up a very interesting point. I am long time climber, guide service owner, AMGA and SLCA member and a veteran instructor of last seasons Rock Project. I am fully aware of The Pact and being an "up Stander" not a "bystander". |
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Who is the land manager? I know that getting them involved could cause total, permanent closures, so I guess I'm just curious. |
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State land. Division of Natural resources is probably responsible for managing the wildlife and the closure. |
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Better pictures help the community get the shame train going, doubtful these turds will own up to it. |
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Perhaps the two are exclusive? |
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That's pretty crappy, but I'd love to see videos of you informing them. Watch your back! |
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The "Go" part just bothers me. Perhaps I don't understand what you meant there. |
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grog m wrote:The "Go" part just bothers me. Perhaps I don't understand what you meant there. If YOU aren't going to do something about it why expect that anybody else would? You're the super qualified person....I think "go" means "start the conversation," not "go there and take care of this for me." My interpretation, anyway. |
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^^^^ |
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Climbers tattling on other climbers on the internet when they could have said something right then and there? Lame and lacking integrity. |
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Josh Janes wrote:Climbers tattling on other climbers on the internet when they could have said something right then and there? Lame and lacking integrity.I wouldnt go that far but... if I had decided to drive away and not climb for the day I would have either said something and/or taken better pics of the vehicle and people. Thats just me, especially at a complete choss pile like Echo that really nobody would miss if it fell down tomorrow. |
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Yeah, I'm not saying cdec is a bad guy. But he did ask for feedback. So if you don't really think the violation is that big of a deal, I have no problems with that - I suspect there are a lot of closures out there that are pretty unnecessary. But if you're actually concerned that raptors will be harmed or that climbing will get shut down, you should say something rather than just letting the activity continue. |
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Josh Janes wrote:If you don't really think the violation is that big of a deal, I have no problems with that. I suspect there are a lot of closures out there that are pretty unnecessary. But if you're actually concerned that raptors will be harmed or that climbing will get shut down, you should say something rather than just letting the activity continue. On the other hand, if you don't want to have a confrontation, that's your prerogative... I just think posting about it online after the fact is pretty lame.Jesus fucking christ I did not say that, chill a bit dude. Calling him lame and lacking integrity was a bit over the top and approaching jerk status. Do you spend your days calling everyone at the crag out on what they are doing wrong? I know I dont. |
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I suppose someone should tell the ice climbers that they are violating the winter wildlife closure. I was planning on taking my portable hot tub up to the Choss Cave this weekend, but I guess that will get me in trouble. |
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I just want to know where are their helmets? Obviously not thinking clearly. Good thread...We can all learn from other climbers mistakes. These two individuals are being jerks and should respect the posted signage! |
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Why is it "lame" or "tattling"? |
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Josh Janes wrote:Yeah, I'm not saying cdec is a bad guy. But he did ask for feedback. So if you don't really think the violation is that big of a deal, I have no problems with that - I suspect there are a lot of closures out there that are pretty unnecessary. But if you're actually concerned that raptors will be harmed or that climbing will get shut down, you should say something rather than just letting the activity continue. On the other hand, if you don't want to have a confrontation, that's your prerogative... I just think posting about it online after the fact is pretty lame.Josh, you are way out of line. |