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By Tim McCabe
Nov 29, 2011
Brad "Stonyman" Killough wrote:
If it's a proj. it doesn't matter how long. Respect!


Not saying I wouldn't give someone a fair amount of time to work on something but.

I have seen it posted on here a couple of times. In reference to respecting old school FA's. That if some bad ass free soloist showed up in a place like the Needles of S. Dak. they would have claimed all of the routes. Thus leaving nothing for the rest of us to safely climb. That didn't happen of course.

Now imagine a new sport climbing area. Over the first couple of years a hand full of locals establish a fair number of climbs. Then a couple of sponsored climbers roll in and in 2 seasons establish the same number of routes. Thus leaving very little left for the future. This did happen to some extent in the Mount Rushmore area. No disrespect to those sponsored climbers they did what they felt was right at the time.

So whats to stop someone from coming into an area and bolting up a large number of climbs and then expecting everyone to leave them sit for a long period of time. That's what the OP's post sounded like to me.

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By Tim McCabe
Nov 29, 2011
highnoonhilltopper wrote:
So if you bolt a route and red tag it, can i put another bolt next to each of yours and then send? Do we see the problem here?


That's fricking hilarious.

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By Brad "Stonyman" Killough
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From Alabama
Nov 29, 2011
Starting the second section of Live to climb anoth...
Tim McCabe wrote:
Not saying I wouldn't give someone a fair amount of time to work on something but. I have seen it posted on here a couple of times. In reference to respecting old school FA's. That if some bad ass free soloist showed up in a place like the Needles of S. Dak. they would have claimed all of the routes. Thus leaving nothing for the rest of us to safely climb. That didn't happen of course. Now imagine a new sport climbing area. Over the first couple of years a hand full of locals establish a fair number of climbs. Then a couple of sponsored climbers roll in and in 2 seasons establish the same number of routes. Thus leaving very little left for the future. This did happen to some extent in the Mount Rushmore area. No disrespect to those sponsored climbers they did what they felt was right at the time. So whats to stop someone from coming into an area and bolting up a large number of climbs and then expecting everyone to leave them sit for a long period of time. That's what the OP's post sounded like to me.
Understood. Good point.

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By SeanKuus
From Steamboat Springs
Nov 29, 2011
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Monomaniac wrote:
I agree, one year is about right for "normal" routes. However, climbing history is full of FA's that took many seasons or even years to complete, so if the developer is still actively working the route, I think the honorable thing is to let them have it until they send or give up.


What constitutes working a route?

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By Stone Nude
Mar 11, 2012
When dumb people have disposable income, hilarity ...
I like the term "rape bolting" and am officially stealing that. It was probably a typo, but fuck it, it's brilliant.

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By Frailer
From Georgia
Apr 20, 2012
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Does the act of red tagging and expecting others to stay off of something because you want your name to be in a guide book as the first one to have climbed it clean not seem very egocentric to anyone? It's not like you're doing secret research that could win you the Nobel Prize in Science. We're just climbers, nothing more than people playing around on rock. Nothing even worth bragging about. Respecting a red tag does not seem very important. Respecting nature and not littering well protected lines with bolts on the other hand seems very important. Of coarse, this is all just an opinion...

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By Thomas Beck
From Las Vegas, Nevada
Aug 7, 2013
beck on limestone
If I am bolting ground up, I'll use a "red tag" to inform others the route is not finished to two rap able anchors. Then it's their choice. What Killis said...I've had a couple routes "bolt raped" where I had posted progress on MP...so what?

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By teece303
From Highlands Ranch, CO
Aug 7, 2013
Aiding. Photo by Locker.
The rock does not belong to you.

Anything longer than 12 months, and it is fair game for anybody.

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By Brent Larsen
From Spearfish, SD
Aug 8, 2013
EBM, 5.11a Sunshine Wall, Spearfish Canyon. South ...
Where I am from we've had red tags up for years and years and nobody cares since there is so much to do. If your red tag is still on your route after a year I'll just go bolt my own route so I can have the FA experience. My question is, what happens when you get belayed by a climber who is better than you and can send your route? Do you buy them a beer if they call take? Red tags are only assured to stay on routes at my home crag if you can find a newbie willing to stand around all day while you hangdog.

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By Tommy Layback
From Sheridan, WY
Aug 8, 2013
Tom on Cloud Peak, Bighorn Mtns, WY.  Blacktooth a...
Stich wrote:
I'm sorry, but did anyone, anywhere, at any time give a remote shit about who got the FA on a sport route? Huh? No, that sort of thing isn't even usually recorded. The whole red tag issue is completely stupid. I never tagged any of the routes I bolted. It never occurred to me to care about it.



+1. Red tags are egotistical.

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