Queen Creek Canyon 

This is another of Arizona's great climbing areas. It was once home to the Phoenix Bouldering Competition, attended by thousands of climbers. However, in a questionable land swap, it was taken over by Resolution Copper. As soon as possible Resolution will turn this ecologically protected area into a hole in the ground about a mile across and perhaps a half a mile deep.

I am deeply sorry for my over estimation of the hole in the ground. Perhaps it will be as attractive as the ASARCO photo above, a sort of eco-friendly hole.

Climbers need to get their asses out here and make a presence of themselves:
1) Enjoy it while we have it.
2) Remind the shafts and tools that the area still means a lot to a lot of folks.
As the land swap creeps forward QC draws fewer and fewer preemptively dismayed climbers. Poor form.

I'm not sure of the other areas, but Lower Devil's has seen quite a bit of activity lately. I've been in LD most weekends since December. Other parties have been there nearly every time.

There are also some new climbs going up both in LD and Hackberry - I've been in on a few of the FAs and they are great! Keep an eye out on MP for new route info, and if you haven't climbed the older routes, check them out!

I lived in Tucson for 3 years and Queen Creek was my absolute favorite place to go climbing at. It would be a tragedy if QC was closed down. Which also brings me to my next point. How come no bouldering is documented for QC? Great places like Davey Jones Locker and Evolution Boulder are just for 2 examples. Not to forget to mention the classic Rail problem. Now that I live in CO I realized how much I miss QC. Max is correct. People need to enjoy it while they have it and speak out about how much the area means to them.

Thank you to the person who put the time and money into the nice via ferrata to the Pond area!

Does anyone know what the current access situation is at Queen Creek?

Any tips on camping nearby?

Oak Flat campground is on the left just after you turn onto Magma Mine Road. If you're climbing in Lower Devil's Canyon, there are several spots to camp primitively along the dirt road as well as at the end of the road (which is also the parking area).

Queen Creek is an area that suffers from somewhat loose and friable rock (welded tuff/dacite), inconsistent rating (which can be severely sandbagged), painful edges and pockets "volcanic coral", occasionally poor anchors or lack of descending hardware (necessitating dangerous walk-offs vis-a-vis an out of step late 70's/early 80's mentality), and ego-based built-in runout protection (EBR) on rock that is anything but bombproof Yosemite granite. Having an national bouldering contest there resulted in many first ascentionists painting their egos on the rock in an attempt to impress visiting climbers. Routes can be at times silly, stupid, and ultimately sad. Having said that, one can have a good experience there provided the foregoing caveats are understood. Camping is free, many routes can be found that are wonderfully fun- if you look for them, and the sunsets are unexcelled.

While I do not agree with everything Brucy says here and in some of his route comments about this area, I do agree that the Queen Creek ethic is a bit out of step of what I consider "sport climbing". Given no bolting bans and the presumption that all the sport routes are put up on rappel, I find the intentional and sometimes dangerous runouts a bit of an odd ethic. This is not ground up climbing (a style I love, by the way), so it sometimes seems lame that pushing the difficulty level in this area on supposed "sport climbs" can often mean risking ankle integrity. Given all that, yeah, you either rise to the level of commitment and hope the choss doesn't bite back, or you back off doing a particular climb.

I have to agree that some of the routes, especially the earlier bolted routes, have runouts accepted by the original developers. Like me, we did a lot of ground up stuff first then evolved to create better sport routes via rappel. Newer routes with built in runouts for no apparent reason (like some in the Pond), bug me. I try to stay away and point out their shortcomings to good people.

Some of the guys have gone back and changed the routes to bring them in closer to today's reality. Newer routes I've climbed have either been way over bolted or under. I think it's just hit or miss, you have to take responsibility for your climb and choose the right one or back off and TR it.

Lot of development at Lower Devil's East, go try it and report back on the new stuff!

I can comment on current bolt placement as I've been putting up routes of late (not posted yet, sorry). Many of the lines are indeed done ground up as that is the favored style from my perspective and I know Marcy and Geir feel similarly. When there's good gear placement I have not been placing a bolt, especially if the rock yields a hollow sound to a hammer blow. I feel that a bolt placed in such rock may give a climber a false sense of security, while a climb that requires gear placement is going to only attract climbers solid at the grade.

The four Glitter Box long routes -- Adios Larry, Damsels in Distress, Summer Assault, and Two Bit Shuffle -- are a bit odd in this regard as they are mostly bolted, but not fully enough to be truly "sport", nor are the bolt placements only where absolutely necessary.

In any case, as long as the route description is clear about what to expect on the route I actually like these mixed routes that are going in down here.

Hi, I am new to bouldering and was wondering if this area (queen creek canyon) is still usable for climbing? I live in the city of Queen Creek and would be looking for any areas that my kids and I could learn and grow in this sport! THANK YOU!!

Oak Flats has a ton of bouldering of all grades.

In Lower Devil's Canyon there is now a new area.

If you turn right at the base of the switchbacks you'll head up into this area that we've (Arjun Heimsath and David Sampson) been developing. We've now posted most of the routes and called this area "The Refuge." There are about 60 climbs up in this area and we hope you check them out. There is some excellent climbing in here with easy approaches. Keep posted here, via "The Refuge" area under "Lower Devils Canyon", as the maps and descriptions are just being uploaded and updated (Thanksgiving, 2011).

Just a heads up on the mining issues. Read an article Dec 7th local paper.

Resolution Copper is prospecting the largest copper deposit known to mankind..literally. Queens Creek is sitting on top of it. Currently there is bill in Congress to do a landswap of US forest land (oak flats, road to LDC) for other land so they can start operations. The mine will be underground 1.5 miles, but the land will shift so they don't want anyone on top when it all collapses. They are in the processes of cajoling/bribing all parties to play the game and support the landswap. I read they promised climbers $50,000 to create new climbing areas. I sense the mine is letting climb on private property (The Pond), because they want us to support the deal.

OPINION: In this day and age this new mine is a done deal. Try to get as much out of them as possible and move on. They are ready to negotiate now and after the bill passes congress we will be nobodies.

Love QC, hate to see anything change but hate to lose it all after the bill passes congress.

Thanks to Melina Lew we have a newly formatted and well edited mini guide to The Refuge area. See the description under Lower Devils, or access mini guide thanks to Geir Hundal's posting here:

www.geir.com/refugemini.pdf

Hopefully it'll be cool enough to climb down there in a month or two and DOUBLY hopefully the rains will help cover up the impacts of the fire. Thank you, Ben, by the way, for posting those pics of the fire impacts.

STASH STOLEN!! Am afraid I have bad news to report. David and my development stash was stolen from its hiding place behind rocks and brush just uphill of the Dog Town parking area and camping spot in The Refuge. It was one of those large Action Packers, spray painted brown, and filled with a new static line and 3 dynamic ropes. A big loss in terms of gear, but a bigger loss in terms of our faith in humanity. This theft will obviously result in some seriously bad Karma for whoever took it and this post is just a heads up to our community in case you may have witnessed something, or have word of such gear suddenly for sale somewhere. I will try to keep the faith, but this was a seriously bad discovery yesterday while we were out there on a stellar day. Thanks for any input/help if you have it.

Damn, that sucks. I doubt it was climbers. I would guess there are a lot of folks just cruising around that place and they happened on it. Check the play it again sports stores. My buddy found his whole rack a day after his house was burglarized. If you need an working rope I will give you mine. You can still lead on it but it will not last long if you TR too much on it. Glad to hear they didn't get your drill.

No way!!! That is awful Arjun!!

I will happily donate to you guys to help you recover the loss.

Thanks Eric and Geir: we appreciate your offers. Yeah, our loss was mostly dumbfounded disbelief that it could happen in our sanctuary. But, I too suspect that it was not a climber that took the stash. Gosh, I certainly hope it was not climbers.

I will happily donate a rope if we can figure out how to get it to you.

Yes, thanks so much to all, including Ben Beard, for input and offers of donations! I too hope and assume it wasn't climbers, especially down there, but I suppose this is a good lesson. If you're not planning on coming out sometime to climb and want to drop anything off for us to use, The Hiking Shack is right around the corner from me, and shoot me an email off the comment page if you want to coordinate anything: arjunmh@me.com

LOST: 1 pair of testarossas at the base of a 5.8 at the ponds in Queen Creek, AZ.

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