I hope you're joking, Ryan. any swinging dick knows that's Cindy Crawford

Why not?

I'm going to point out the obvious: anyone that has to mention how hard they climb, how much they bench, or how big the diamond on their ring finger is, to prove whatever "point" they may or may not have, is:..... A total, spraying, menstrual rah-rah. Some poseur tweets can't handle the idea that the baddy traddies can crush them into leetle beety peeces, even at their own game. NOTE: Tommy Caldwell can climb any fucking thing on the planet, he's paid to do so, and his main focus is....on El Cap. Chris Sharma climbs a whole lot of sport climbs-and cleans his draws after sending, and openly admires Tommy and calls him a better climber than him. Guys like Sonnie Trotter go both ways (ha) but ask any of his bros if he's a sport climber, and you start finding out he's the guy who taught Ethan Pringle to place gear, he's chopped bolts, he's FA'd 12 roof cracks without bolts, etc etc etc. I'm not even gonna bring Dave Macleod into this, he's soloed 13d and put up 14c on gear, Alex Huber has been decrying gay chipping and linkups since forever and he put up a 15a (ask Adam Ondra, he got the 2nd and UPPED the grage from 14d) back in the 90s, way before Sharma had his blue-streak marketing bonanza. Sharma BTW got shredded on a 12d/13a gear route in Utah. For a guy that's warming up on bolted 14b, does that say anything about how unrelated gear and bolted route grades are? So there's the name-dropping thing out of the way, too-go check out my 8a.nu scorecard and see if I climb harder than you and thus am allowed to have an opinion. I'm sorry, just kidding, I have a girlfriend and climb 7 days a week. I have no time to keep a "rad file" on myself, I'm too busy ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING USEFUL WITH MY LIFE. Other than posting on MP, that is...

So I dont have a problem admitting that Im ignorant to some fact. But answering a question with 'quoted for n00bery' is moronic. You dont even come close to providing an answer. Saying well there isnt an access or something would at least give a reason to why you cant rap down, preplace your draws, climb it and have your belayer clean it on the way up. Then place a new anchor on top of another route and do the same thing. Or, just traditionaly lead it, meaning clip your draws. It is sport it takes all of about a five seconds to do so. You can call me a n00b, go for it, but youre just as ignorant.

It may take some ingenuity but I always thought that was what climbers were good at. I have ideas on how you could do it, I really dont think it would be hard. And morals evolve simply to suit the needs of those elitist. Not the community as a whole and the preservation of the sport we all love, for whatever reason.

No, Im not strong enough to onsight harder. Maybe if I lived closer to a sport crag and could have time to work a problem for a few days I could. I can in the gym... haha, whatever. I climb because it makes me feel good. If Im going to drive 7 to 24 hours to climb, I want to have fun. I want to climb as much as possible, not push myself on one route for three days. I wish I could justify climbing like that but it just seems stupid when I can fail in the gym. Onsight, static, fluid climbing -style, thats whats its about. No, I have not see the wall for myself. I've seen photos online. It may take some ingenuity but I always thought that was what climbers were good at. I have ideas on how you could do it, I really dont think it would be hard. I dont care ot share in lieu of spiteful responses. But as this thread proves, I am way off on the principles of rock climbing. As with everything, corporate showmanship seems to be the only standard of exellence. And morals evolve simply to suit the needs of those elitist. Not the community as a whole and the preservation of the sport we all love, for whatever reason.

I can in the gym... .

They weren't stolen. They were stripped, bundled and labeled according to which route they came from and left at the local pizza/climbing hangout to be claimed.