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By Steve0
Mar 13, 2012
Forest fires seen from the top of the Grand. I think they were in the Bridger Teton NF, end of August, 2011.
I've got an R1 and it's been a great piece that I always have with me, I would buy one again, but there is another company that, in my opinion, is more deserving of our business. NWAlpine is a company in Oregon that makes all of their pieces in Oregon, novel idea, huh? They're always a pleasure to deal with and make some excellent, straightforward, alpine-oriented gear.

Here's a link to a piece they make that is similar to the R1,
nwalpine.com/black-spider-ligh...

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By daniel arthur
From Auburn,Al
Mar 13, 2012
NW Couloir of Mt.Helen in August 2012
@ Steve0: How does the spider handle the wind?

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By Steve0
Mar 13, 2012
Forest fires seen from the top of the Grand. I think they were in the Bridger Teton NF, end of August, 2011.
daniel arthur wrote:
@ Steve0: How does the spider handle the wind?


I don't own one so I don't know. I probably should've searched the thread, just saw all of the previous recommendations for the same piece.

I find that a decent wind cuts right through an R1 and that the piece isn't really made to handle that. With a light shell on though it is an action suit; really versatile.

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By Aaron Nash
Mar 13, 2012
ICE!
daniel arthur wrote:
@ Steve0: How does the spider handle the wind?



I own two. They are basically an R1 hoody without the brand name price, made in the USA. Their customer service is top notch, and Bill is an awesome guy!

I don't know what you want to know about their performance in the wind? These aren't made to be a wind stopping layer, they're a heavy base layer or light mid layer. They'll block more wind than a T-shirt, but both pieces (R1 or the BSLH) are fairly thin, so don't expect too much in terms of cutting the wind.

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By Ray Pinpillage
From West Egg
Mar 13, 2012
Middle
Aaron Nash wrote:
I own two. They are basically an R1 hoody without the brand name price, made in the USA. Their customer service is top notch, and Bill is an awesome guy! I don't know what you want to know about their performance in the wind? These aren't made to be a wind stopping layer, they're a heavy base layer or light mid layer. They'll block more wind than a T-shirt, but both pieces (R1 or the BSLH) are fairly thin, so don't expect too much in terms of cutting the wind.


Only not, the NWA Hoody is much lighter weight. I thought the NWA would be a suitable less expensive replacement because people on forums kept saying they are the same but the NWA Hoody is closest to Capilene 2 weight from Patagonia.

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By Robert Buswold
From Longmont, CO
Mar 13, 2012
Clear Creek Canyon, Capitalist Crag
daniel arthur wrote:
How do the Salomon Swift and NW alpine spider stand against the wind?


Salomon Swift is pretty decent in the wind. I was wearing one on Shirttail Peak in Eldo a couple of weeks ago during about 40 MPH wind and I was pretty comfortable. Of course it's not a wind-jacket, but it's really not bad.

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By climbskihike
From Bay Area, CA
Mar 13, 2012
I'm 6' 160 and have the R1 Hoody and Pullover in a medium, and love them both. They both have a slim/performance fit which for me is on the snugger side, but the large was way too big.

I've worn a cap 2 or 3 long sleeve underneath at times, but they really work better for me with just a cap 1 T-shirt or right on the skin - you are better off layering over the R1 when needed than under it. I find that I get some bunching and constriction with anything more underneath. It is super comfortable on the skin, I've used it a bunch skiing as well as climbing. I don't use them as a casual layer much because of the snug fit, but they are the absolute best technical base/2nd layer I have tried for colder weather.

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By Dane
Mar 13, 2012
Cham '11
Ray Pinpillage wrote:
Only not, the NWA Hoody is much lighter weight. I thought the NWA would be a suitable less expensive replacement because people on forums kept saying they are the same but the NWA Hoody is closest to Capilene 2 weight from Patagonia.



Agreed..good piece but not the same weight to a R1.

Lots of wool versions out that will replace a R1. Shak Hoody for example. My favorite is the super lwt version from Sherpa Ad Gear. But wool won't dry as fast or keep you as dry as a NWAlpine product or the R1. They all have their place in the right conditions.

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By S. Fischer
Mar 13, 2012
Pilot Mountain NC
After looking for possible alternatives to the r1, I picked up a Wild Things hoody and really like it. I wish it had thumb loops, but it performed well on my last trip. Feels great next to skin or over a short sleeve.

They also have a full zip wind version that I picked up and used once... very versatile piece.

wildthingsgear.com/wild-things...

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By mugsy
Mar 14, 2012
Why does everyone love the thumb loops so much? That is always the highest wear area for me...

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By matt davies
Mar 14, 2012
mugsy wrote:
Why does everyone love the thumb loops so much? That is always the highest wear area for me...

I like them because I find as long as I use them, my hands will stay warm except for the coldest (or windy) approaches, and I don't have to deal with soaked out approach gloves.

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By Stephan Doyle
Mar 14, 2012
Aaron Nash wrote:
I own two. They are basically an R1 hoody without the brand name price, made in the USA. Their customer service is top notch, and Bill is an awesome guy! I don't know what you want to know about their performance in the wind? These aren't made to be a wind stopping layer, they're a heavy base layer or light mid layer. They'll block more wind than a T-shirt, but both pieces (R1 or the BSLH) are fairly thin, so don't expect too much in terms of cutting the wind.


I love my NW Alpine Spider Light, too. Lighter than an R1 so it's functional as a baselayer. Stops less wind than an R1, but they both suck at blocking the wind.

Ray Pinpillage wrote:
Only not, the NWA Hoody is much lighter weight. I thought the NWA would be a suitable less expensive replacement because people on forums kept saying they are the same but the NWA Hoody is closest to Capilene 2 weight from Patagonia.


Cap 2 is over the top. I think the NW Alpine is in between Cap 4 (aka R.5) and R1, so I equate it to the mythical Cap .75. As a base layer, the NW Alpine is much more functional than the R1 IMO, as it isn't as warm. The NW Alpine has roughly the same feature set as the R1, but it's designed for warmer weather.


There are options in Power Stretch (e.g. Wild Things, MH Desna), but they're even warmer than the R1. The R1 is a classic piece, and the only direct competitors might be MEC and Rab (their Baseline hoody is a UK fit of the R1 and without the Cap 4 panels). I've found the R1 to be too much warmth until the highs are below 20, YMMV. I'd look at the Power Stretch pieces if you're generally cold, you move slow, or swim with penguins on your days off.

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By superkick
From West Hartford, CT
Mar 14, 2012
Free Solo up hitchcock gully WI3
Dane highly recommends mammuts yukon tech jacket. I just picked one up..plan on giving it a run this weekend in the whites.

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By Stephan Doyle
Mar 14, 2012
superkick wrote:
Dane highly recommends mammuts yukon tech jacket. I just picked one up..plan on giving it a run this weekend in the whites.


I haven't seen one of these and the material is obscure. Is this a fleece or some sort of stretchy soft shell?

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By Kilroywashere!
From Harrisonburg, Virginia
Mar 16, 2012
Kilroy
I've got the Desna Jacket from MH, which is i guess their version of the R1 hoody. I wore the r1 for a little over a year before deciding to upgrade to the Desna. very much so glad i did, it has become my go to piece for layering, wearing it over a MH integral baselayer was perfect for a mid 40s-low 50s windy day at seneca. didnt need gloves with the thumbloops, and the material blocked out enough wind to keep comofortable. wouldnt call it completely windproof but it does okay.

im comparison to the r1, i didnt get much wind blocking at all, and because of the material of the thumbloops, i was hesitant to use them without gloves over them for fear of destroying them.(is it a capilene material?) i did like the r1 for the sole fact of the thinner material at the bottom of the piece, again, im assuming it is a capilene material, it was great for tucking it into ski pants without the bunching up of a ton of layers.

i have two downsides to the desna. 1-its heavy, and doesnt pack up as small as the r1, this has been remedied by mh by offering the desna pullover, which was mentioned earlier. but, that model lacks thumbloops, which was the reason i went with the jacket vs. pullover.
reason 2-it can smell very bad. for some reason if i sweat just a little in the desna, it reeks all to high heaven. (a similar qualm i have with the integral baselayer, but what can i say, they do their jobs too damn well for that to really matter.)

other than that, i'd say that the desna is worth the extra 10 dollars you'll spend on it than the r1 hoody. im very happy with my purchase, and maybe one day will pick up the pullover just to see how it goes...

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By divnamite
From New York, NY
Mar 16, 2012
I tried the Desna, just way too warm for me for any winter approach even with temp in the teens unless it's windy. I can't imagine wearing that for temp in the 40s unless I'm just standing around.
I think I'm gonna give the NWA a try since it's less warm than R1 hoody, which might be perfect for those long approaches.

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By Sirius
From Oakland, CA
Mar 16, 2012
Moving through the crux lock - now that's micro beta for you, that is.
Spent the last four seasons in my R1 Hoody and it's my best piece. Bought it 50% off at the end of season sale.

Took it up the Steck-Sal twice as well as all kinds of other wide, thrutchy, squeeze and OW stuff during a season when I got the bug for that style, and it is still in excellent condition. Holy shit have I abused it.

R1 Hoody and Nano 1/4 zip have been perfect Yosemite set up for me for fall/winter/spring. Clip the Nano to the harness when warm, and go.

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By Kai Larson
From Sandy, Utah
Mar 23, 2012
Tour Ronde North Face
I ordered a NW Alpine Spider Lite hoodie. Thought it might be good for warmer temps than my Patagonia R1 hoodie.

I wear a Size Large in the Patagonia R1, but I ordered a Size XL in the Spider, based on the "athletic fit" descriptor.

It's way too small for me. I can squeeze into it, but it's really skin tight, uncomfortably so.

Sad, because I liked the piece and it probably would have been my R1 replacement for warmer weather.

Oh well. sending it back today.

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By bearbreeder
Mar 23, 2012
mec makes the new t2 hodie ... which is lighter than their t3 (R1 copy)

mec.ca/AST/ShopMEC/MensClothin...

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By Dane
Mar 24, 2012
Cham '11
Kai Larson wrote:
I wear a Size Large in the Patagonia R1, but I ordered a Size XL in the Spider, based on the "athletic fit" descriptor. It's way too small for me. I can squeeze into it, but it's really skin tight, uncomfortably so.


Just my observation on NWA sizing.
I also wear a Lg R1 and have had both a Lg and a XL Black Spider hoody from NWA. The Lg fit me fine as a base layer next to the skin. The Xl was too big. I am 6'1" and 190.

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By Matt Allen
From Seattle, Washington
Apr 4, 2012
I have to chime in with my support for the NWA spider lite hoody. After having the R1 for many years, I decided to try the spider lite. I am glad I did. I liked the spider so much that I sold my r1. I run warm, so having a lighter fabric is great for me. If it gets windy I just throw on a windshell.

If you are looking for a great softshell hoody (full zip) that is windproof, try looking around for the Mountain Hardwear Transition jacket. It is made from windstopper, but has breathable panels under the arms. I am surprised at how much I like this jacket. Too bad they do not make it anymore.

For those looking for a wool hoody, check out the smartwool midweight hoody. I have one on order. $56 is a great deal.

6pm.com/smartwool-mens-midweig...

$45 for large graphite on geartrade
geartrade.com/item/247845

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By Dustin
From Pagosa Springs, CO
Apr 6, 2012
Check these guys out - they will be coming out with a R1 hoodie like garment but with a water resistant attribute. Made here in the US.

Pretty sweet.

voormi.com

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By Paolo Speirn
From Santa Fe, NM
Apr 9, 2012
topping out Out to Lunch" in the Sandias
Anyone want to take a chance on one of these and report back?

Blackhawk Grid Hoody

- hooded grid fleece
- zip chest pocket
- thumb loops

On sale for $35 plus shipping. Damn. No idea how heavy the material is, though, or how well it wicks. Or how it fits -- "athletic" might mean different things to cops than climbers...

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By Derek W
Feb 4, 2013
First summit of First Flatiron
Bump. Any new recommendations for early 2013? I'm giving special though to the RAB Baseline...

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By Ray Pinpillage
From West Egg
Feb 4, 2013
Middle
Derek W wrote:
Bump. Any new recommendations for early 2013? I'm giving special though to the RAB Baseline...


Cap 4 expedition weight Hoody. It has thumb elastic loops instead of holes in the wrists and zips straight up the front. Slightly lighter weight than the R1. Most other options on the market are full zip which adds bulk around the waist.

patagonia.com/us/product/mens-...

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