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By Ice4life
From SLC, UT
Jan 2, 2012
GYM

This is simply atrocious.

www.odmp.org/officer/21076-park-ranger-margaret-anderson


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By Matt Barna
Jan 2, 2012

And the nutcase is still uncaught


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By Owen Darrow
From Garmisch,
Jan 2, 2012
Nice view

Wow, sad day.


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By Cpt. E
Jan 2, 2012

she was a mother of 2 young ones as well.....

I guess the nutcase is the suspect in a triple shooting that occured earlier that day, then he fled to the park.

Kinda scary considerinng there's a bunch of people still in the park and unaware they may encounter someone with a screw loose.


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By Umph!
Jan 2, 2012

How could he have possibly "escaped"?? For F's sake, he was being pursued for some time, they had set up a "road block", et al. AND he's within the Park boundary.
Sure look forward to hearing/reading about this one. . . .<


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By Adam Stackhouse
Administrator
Jan 2, 2012
me

Umph,

There is no fence that houses the "park boundary." He could walk in most any direction and remain unseen in the forest.


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By FrankPS
From Atascadero, CA
Jan 2, 2012

Umph! wrote:
How could he have possibly "escaped"?? For F's sake, he was being pursued for some time, they had set up a "road block", et al. AND he's within the Park boundary. Sure look forward to hearing/reading about this one. . . .<


The park is 388 square miles. Of mostly forested terrain. Without a fence!


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By wendy weiss
Jan 2, 2012

I think I read that the roadblock was unrelated to the shootings. Still I question whether Park Service law enforcement rangers, even if armed, are adequately prepared to pursue someone who runs a roadblock, rather than calling in the police. Latest news is that the guy killed himself.


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By Darby
From Snoqualmie, wa
Jan 2, 2012

Very sad, my heart goes out to her husband and kids. That poor guy was on duty and had to hear her on the radio after she had been shot. How gut wrenching.

I was pulled over by a park ranger in Rainer last year, they struck me as legit law enforcement, capable of the same expectations as other law enforcement agencies. A long ways from Smokey the Bear with a gun. She was a seasoned officer.


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By Andy Kowles
From Longtuckles
Jan 2, 2012

Life is precious. Enjoy it as you live it with an open and seeing heart and help others to do the same.

This innocent woman's family needs your thoughts, compassion, and prayers or reflections.

I'm so sorry for her loss.


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By Seth Eidemiller
Jan 2, 2012

I have friends that are Forest Service LEOs. Park Service is no different. For training they attend the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Georgia for 4 months and then go in the field to train with other officers before going on their own. You'd be amazed at the crap they have to deal with. Booby trapped marijuana fields, meth labs, drunken hunters, militias are all a part of it. And the fact that they work alone in isolated areas makes them extremely aware of their surroundings.

So yes they are qualified to do law enforcement work. That is their job.

Sad day is right.


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By fat cow
From Salinas, CA
Jan 2, 2012
perfect seam

Poor kids and husband. This is absolutely terrible.


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By Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Jan 2, 2012
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Peak.

Gunman is dead.

www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57350970/body-found-believed-th>>>

"He apparently died after trudging into chest-deep snow while trying to elude snowshoe-wearing SWAT team members and other police who were on his trail."

Fitting end.


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By TheBirdman
Jan 2, 2012

Without a doubt, the sickest part of this article:

"Unbeknownst to Ranger Anderson, the suspect was wanted for shooting four people in a nearby community the previous day."

Admittedly, the officer may have had her roadblock for something totally unrelated; for all I know it could have been something as benign as to prevent people from bringing wood out of the forest with them. However, the intra and inter agency communication needs to be at work here. First of all, if it was known by anyone in the state of Washington that a murderous gunman was on the loose, you'd think an all points bulletin would be sent out to all law enforcement with the pertinent information such as a physical description, vehicle, etc.

Secondly, if the Park Rangers had already attempted to stop this guy and he fled, you'd think that they would have let the other rangers in the park know, "Hey, guy who looks like BLANK driving a BLANK is on the run headed in BLANK direction." I'm not saying a more efficient distribution of this information necessarily would have changed the outcome, but am I the only one who sees a serious issue here? Not to turn this into a rant against law enforcement, but as the agencies charged with protecting the general population and enforcing the law, the ignorance never ceases to amaze me. A single female officer charged with stopping vehicles is given no information of a deranged gunman in her vicinity...This is arguably negligence and if I was a WA state attorney, I'd be talking to her family right now about a potential suit.

Condolences to the family of course...


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By Darby
From Snoqualmie, wa
Jan 2, 2012

TheBirdman wrote:
Without a doubt, the sickest part of this article: "Unbeknownst to Ranger Anderson, the suspect was wanted for shooting four people in a nearby community the previous day." Admittedly, the officer may have had her roadblock for something totally unrelated; for all I know it could have been something as benign as to prevent people from bringing wood out of the forest with them. However, the intra and inter agency communication needs to be at work here. First of all, if it was known by anyone in the state of Washington that a murderous gunman was on the loose, you'd think an all points bulletin would be sent out to all law enforcement with the pertinent information such as a physical description, vehicle, etc. Secondly, if the Park Rangers had already attempted to stop this guy and he fled, you'd think that they would have let the other rangers in the park know, "Hey, guy who looks like BLANK driving a BLANK is on the run headed in BLANK direction." I'm not saying a more efficient distribution of this information necessarily would have changed the outcome, but am I the only one who sees a serious issue here? Not to turn this into a rant against law enforcement, but as the agencies charged with protecting the general population and enforcing the law, the ignorance never ceases to amaze me. A single female officer charged with stopping vehicles is given no information of a deranged gunman in her vicinity...This is arguably negligence and if I was a WA state attorney, I'd be talking to her family right now about a potential suit. Condolences to the family of course...


I think she knew the car was on the run, just didn't know who was behind the wheel. Sad either way


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By Carl Sherven
From Madison, WI
Jan 2, 2012

David Sahalie wrote:
gunman was a vet... and the armed forces are still debating if PTSD is real.



They know it's real. What they ARE debating is the most effective way to keep the public from realizing how staggering the long term social cost of war really is.

Tragic story all around. Tragic that such awful acts were committed. Tragic that people who serve our country so often can't get the help they need when they get home. Tragic that there is no doubt someone working to bury these events alongside the dead so their memory doesn't make it harder to start another war later on, thus ensuring that society doesn't learn from our mistakes and will repeat them.


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By Ryan Williams
Administrator
From London (sort of)
Jan 2, 2012
El Chorro

wendy weiss wrote:
I think I read that the roadblock was unrelated to the shootings. Still I question whether Park Service law enforcement rangers, even if armed, are adequately prepared to pursue someone who runs a roadblock, rather than calling in the police. Latest news is that the guy killed himself.


Where I'm from the police officers aren't all that prepared to handle this kind of situation either. It's sad that the people that we expect to protect us get such little training and pay.

It's even more sad that things like this happen. Thoughts are w/ her family.


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By Peter Stokes
From Them Thar Hills
Jan 2, 2012
Wall Street, Moab, UT

wendy weiss wrote:
Still I question whether Park Service law enforcement rangers, even if armed, are adequately prepared to pursue someone who runs a roadblock, rather than calling in the police.


NPS enforcement rangers are police, with the same training and equipment, though they have a somewhat different job description and work environment. There are always issues with getting info from other agencies in a timely manner- here in Boulder there are often "officer safety information" messages broadcast on the dispatch channels, sometimes starting with a page tone to get people's attention- it's usually for armed suspects within a certain radius who are thought to be headed in our direction. Sometimes they'll also do a role call at the end of the broadcast to make sure everyone heard it. I have no idea what the protocol is in western WA.

May God bless Margaret Anderson and her family, friends and fellow officers who have to deal with this.


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By ElectricEric
Jan 2, 2012

A bunch of us over at CascadeClimbers.com are brainstorming a way to set up a memorial fund for her. If you guys have any ideas please feel free to chime in.


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By ccerling
From Platteville, WI
Jan 2, 2012
me

It looks like mother nature took care of it Article Here


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By JasonMills
From Albuquerque, NM
Jan 2, 2012

In the story it says "The suspect's body was found the following day about six miles from the initial shooting scene.

Read more: www.odmp.org/officer/21076-park-ranger-margaret-anderson#ixz>>>
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By Umph!
Jan 2, 2012

Yes guys, I'm well aware that Rainer and the Park isn't fenced in. It just pisses me off that this happened.
NPS Rangers are (as many have stated) to-the-hilt LEO's. . . I've worked with them myself in the past. They are no different from City or County cops (in fact, a good bit better). This said, they receive BOLO's, and scan the surrounding jurisdictions (via radio). They had to be aware of the shootings, this guys description, etc. But, wtf, let's just say they weren't. From what I read, an NPS Ranger was in pursuit, for a respectable distance, and the road block officer HAD to be aware as did the commandng officer and all other NPS LEO's on duty. The story says she was "attempting to stop a fleeing suspect", so the road block was set up for this incident.

This sucks, and I just can't picture how this was able to play-out with a road block LEO dead, and an unharmed suspect WHO GOT AWAY and fled back into the public/Park, unharmed. Where the hell were the other LEO's? What happened to the pursuing officer?
Again, I'm looking forward to the story coming to print.

Best to the family, friends and partners.


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By Scott O
From NC
Jan 3, 2012
Batman Pinnacle

David Sahalie wrote:
gunman was a vet... and the armed forces are still debating if PTSD is real.


The military gives disability status for PTSD, and the military physicians I've worked with are very proactive about recognizing and treating PTSD.


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By Buff Johnson
Jan 3, 2012
 In a zoo in California, a mother tiger gave birth to a rare set of triplet tiger cubs.    Unfortunately, due to complications in the pregnancy, the cubs were born prematurely and due to their tiny size, they died shortly after birth.  <br /> <br />The mother tiger after recovering from the delivery, suddenly started to decline in health, although physically she was fine. The veterinarians felt that the loss of her litter had caused the tigress to fall into a depression. The doctors decided that if the tigress could surrogate another mother's cubs, perhaps she would improve.  <br /> <br />After checking with many other zoos across the country, the depressing news was that there were no tiger cubs of the right age to introduce to the mourning  mother. The veterinarians decided to try something that had never been  tried in a zoo environment. Sometimes a mother of one species will take on the care of a different species. The only "orphans" that could be found quickly, were a litter of weaner pigs.  The zoo keepers and vets wrapped the piglets in tiger skin and placed the babies around the mother tiger. <br />

Even correctly recognized & a status determined, the numbers of the disorder simply outweigh the help available and the access to therapy still lacks which needs more than just a proper medication program.

Though what we are seeing here sounds more like a development into psychosis, incredibly rare, but required intervention. The system in the veteran's affairs dropped the ball here long before the public, the park ranger(s), and the soldier were all unknowingly put into danger.


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By JLP
From The Internet
Jan 3, 2012

Buff Johnson wrote:
Though what we are seeing here sounds more like a development into psychosis, incredibly rare, but required intervention.

The intervention should have been when back he applied to join the military. Not every angry freakshow loser should be given a gun and sent to war.

In any case, can't imagine he had time to get properly nourished and dressed for wading streams and postholing in the middle of winter. I think it's kind of funny how prepared he was with all this body armor and ammo and Rambo training, but then dies because he didn't have any cloths on.


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By Jake Jones
From The Eastern Flatlands
Jan 3, 2012
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after a day of cragging.

JLP wrote:
The intervention should have been when back he applied to join the military. Not every angry freakshow loser should be given a gun and sent to war. In any case, can't imagine he had time to get properly nourished and dressed for wading streams and postholing in the middle of winter. I think it's kind of funny how prepared he was with all this body armor and ammo and Rambo training, but then dies because he didn't have any cloths on.


NO angry freakshow loser should be given a gun and sent to war. Unfortunately, killing other human beings legally sort of appeals to some of them and when quotas are low, recruiters start flexing the waiver wand (not that the standards are regal to begin with). I saw my fair share for sure. I speculate the kid probably had major problems before he went in and the stress of military life, especially in combat, only exacerbated it.

Condolences to the ranger husband and his two children.


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