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By SexPanther aka Kiedis
Jan 24, 2014
Thumbtastic

M Sprague wrote:
your and the community's collective wisdom.


Ah, the mythical beast collective anything. No one's ever seen one, but I hear they are cunning and leave reverse-spiraled turds.

If the community's collective wisdom (gah, still hate using the term) decides, then Hellenor gets three votes in a row, right?

Climbing is not and never will be a democracy. Motivated unique individuals and small groups make the climbing world what it is, not a big group of tourists, even if they're locals. This is one of the things I like about climbing. The popular vote meant nothing to Harding, and it shouldn't to you, either. Wings of Steel, muhfuckas..


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By Bill Lawry
From New Mexico
Jan 24, 2014

Tend to agree with vag about collective wisdom. I suspect it is more about collecting input so as to learn something from vocal folks in the community and so maximize the chance that your new bolts are not chopped.


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By Gary Parker
Jan 24, 2014

Hi Dan,
Great idea, thanks for taking this up. I agree with what most people have been saying the old 1/4" bolts should be replaced. The climbing will still be runout and thrilling, but new gear might make it less dangerous. Left Eyebrow (Sugarloaf) is a great climb that would be improved with a bolt replacement on Pitch 6. Thanks again!


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By Robert Cort
Jan 24, 2014

Karl Kiser wrote:
There should be no power drilling (wilderness study area equals wilderness)


Karl, I don't mean to sound contradictory, but that's not true. Wilderness study area does not quite equal wilderness. The key aspect of a wilderness study area is that you can't do anything that would prevent it from becoming a wilderness in the future.


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By Gary Parker
Jan 25, 2014

A few years ago, some us us have had a valuable conversation on the subject of preserving the Organs (see first link below). I think we all agree that they should be preserved, but not all designations are equal (IMO I believe that Wilderness is too restrictive to some user groups, like climbers and mtn bikers, and perversely relaxed for cattle ranching and horseback access with have much higher impact).

The Access Fund has been fighting hard to allow bolts to remain in Wilderness Areas, and I don't know how that battle has shaken out over the years. I do remember about 10 or 15 years ago, there was an interpretation on the Wilderness Act that would have made all bolts and rap anchors illegal because they could be deemed "Permanent Installations". If that interpretation were to become the norm, it would have serious negative implications for climbing throughout the US. Just something to consider.

mountainproject.com/v/organ-mountain-wilderness-bill/1065480>>>

and here's a link to a recent example of how bolting can become a sticky morass of interpretation:

www.rockandice.com/lates-news/tnb-death-on-forbidden-peak-wa>>>


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