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By mozeman
Dec 28, 2011

What's the best way to get good at O-dub climbs, besides sacking up and going for it time after time?

Aside from just having experience, any other ways to practice off width without actually doing offwidth? if that makes sense?


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By Matt Pickren
Dec 28, 2011
Where did the rock go?

"ways to practice off width without actually doing offwidth?"

Are you kidding? Is this for real?


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By martinharris
From Glenwood Springs CO
Dec 28, 2011

if by sacking up u mean climb something than if u want to be a part of the sport of sacking up u will need to sack up.


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By burlap submariner
Dec 28, 2011

go climb some 5.10 tight chimneys, it will give you a teets taste of what you'll be in for. Or as the above posters have previously suggested....say fuck it and give her.


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By R. Moran
From Moab , UT
Dec 28, 2011
REtro

Every one knows to train for off widths you do Superman Push ups followed by Three five minute rounds of wrestling a Bear. Just do a Forum search and you'll see!


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By mozeman
Dec 28, 2011

sack up it is!


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By dirtbag
From Bellingham, WA
Dec 28, 2011
i really enjoyed this drive to the tetons... can't wait to make it back to WY

Bouldering at Vedauwoo would be great practice w/out getting on lead. Great core strength, cardio, and strong shoulders certainly help, so i'd cross train those areas.

Getting strong with your fist/hand/thinhand jams is essential for making the transition to stacks. Lots of good grovly fist cracks at the red in the 5.9+ range if i remember correctly that are perfect!

You're certainly better off going and doin it, but here are some basic pointers that might help: go to the base of an offwidth and boulder out different mechanical ways to move up AND rest. (i'm pretty sure the's something in the RRG guidebook about a roof crack boulder problem too, btw). Sometimes the best body configuration to rest and/or move your pro up (which is often in the back of the crack to keep the rope outta the way of your knee/foot jams) is impossible to make upward progress with.

If you have specific questions you can shoot me a msg.

have fun and climb safe!









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By rgold
From Poughkeepsie, NY
Dec 29, 2011
The traverse out to the Yellow Ridge on the Dogstick Ridge link-up.  Photo by Myriam Bouchard

You probably want to head over to Super Topo, which has a big collection of wyde experts, 'cause so far yer gettin' nuthin' here. "Just sacking up" may get you somewhere if you have exceptional natural talent, but most people will benefit enormously from the techniques and advice of folks who really know how to do it. Unfortunately, there is an enormous amount of static on Super Topo, seems to be getting worse over time, but there's a hell of a lot of expertise there too.

For openers, you should look at widefetish.com. The the forums section is thread devoted to technique. The How To section has several articles on technique. Check out the videos too, which (by and large) will show you what competent offwidth climbing ought to look like. (Beware: offwidth done right doesn't look too bad. Even more than other types of climbing, you have to be there and try it to grasp what the difficulties really are.) Then read the accounts in the Features section. The only disappointment is the Links section, which doesn't seem to point to that much more about offwidth.

Next, have a look at the Wide Boyz blog, wideboyz.blogspot.com/, to see what the current cutting edge looks like. (Some of the videos illustrate techniques really well too.)

OK, that should be a start.


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By Stevie Nacho
From Utah
Dec 29, 2011

I haven't read the above posts, so please forgive me for repeating anything already mentioned. O-dubbs are a great thing to learn and enjoy, because you may need to call on that learned skill many pitches up a big climb. I haven't done anything like the late and great Craig Luebben, but I can say that I have enjoyed my forays in the wide. My advise is as follows:
1) Don't let people talk you out of them
2) Hydrate and fuel (not too much) before them
3) Enjoy them
4) Make sure to tease all the sparkle jocky fun boys who avoid them
5) Have fun


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By JPVallone
Dec 29, 2011

Go climb every 5.7 at Lumpy Ridge and Vedauwoo. I am sure you will encounter some OW.


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By Kent Pease
From Littleton, Colorado
Dec 29, 2011

No it doesn’t make sense. If you want to go the North Pole then start walking south – eventually you’ll get there!

Most crack climbers go through a learning phase in which OW is actually attractive. Some of us even forget that it’s only a phase in our climbing careers.. . . .

If you’re looking for technique then check out the “Technique” tab at WideFetish, www.widefetish.com/pages/how_to.html , which has copies of the best articles ever written on the wide. If your nearby hangs are not suitable training grounds, then head to Indian Creek, Vedawoo (as others have suggested), or almost any granite area. It is also possible to build yourself an adjustable OW crack to be featured at your next party.


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By Joseph P. Crotty
From Broomfield, CO
Dec 29, 2011
Maltese cross.

Could your question be rephrased as "how do I train for off width climbing?" The answer if of course yes assuming you have a crack simulator somewhere. An english duo just did a fairly successful tour of hard US off widths having used a number of off width specific training methods.


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By mozeman
Dec 29, 2011

Joseph P. Crotty wrote:
Could your question be rephrased as "how do I train for off width climbing?" The answer if of course yes assuming you have a crack simulator somewhere. An english duo just did a fairly successful tour of hard US off widths having used a number of off width specific training methods.

yeah, that makes more sense haha


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By Matt Kuehl
From the desert
Jan 30, 2012
Plumbers Crack

Find some big gear and go out and try them! Besides a crack machine there is no realistic training for off-wdiths, just go out and squeeze and figure that shit out! Every climber's body is different and fits in cracks in entirely different ways. The beauty of off width (well one of the beauties) is that you can do whatever works for you personally, and nobody out there is gonna harass you for your technique (unless you just layback everything.)

I just did a blog post on wide climbing, if you're looking to get psyched take a look, there a good amount of photos too.

www.mattkuehl.blogspot.com
or
www.mattkuehl.blogspot.com/2012/01/take-walk-on-wide-side.html

Matt


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By Daryl Allan
From Sierra Vista, AZ
Feb 1, 2012
Me and my Fetish I guess.. ;)

Being comfortable with the sensation of rapid fire dry heaves while being smushed into agonizing contortions helps. Also good to not be skiddish at the sight of blood; yours or the leader's.


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By D@n
From Boulder, CO
Feb 19, 2012
Head full of lead. Photo by Frosty Weller

A great way to train for OW routes is to do OW boulder problems at Vedauwoo. Low commitment, no wide gear, relatively safe.

+1 on getting stronger at hand jams and the easy sizes. Many OW routes have a move or two of easy sizes that you have to milk to get something back before offwidthing again.

Crack machines are easy to build. Just check out some of the other forum posts here.


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By camhead
From Vandalia, Appalachia
Feb 19, 2012
You stay away from mah pig!

I think to paraphrase an indirect quote I heard attribute to Scarpelli, here is how to get good at OWs.

Step 1: Spend a year doing 1,000 situps a day
Step 2: Spend a weekend learning basic hand, fist, and cups-sized crack technique.
Step 3: PROFIT!!!1

I've also seen a lot of average climbers decide that the way they'll make a name for themselves is to become "that guy that's really good at OWs." So they train, and get really fit, throw themselves at all the Oh Dubbya's and the next thing they know, they're strong enough to have fun on all the climbs that used to shut them down– sport lines, fingercracks, boulder problems, whatever. They then realize that these types of climbs are more rewarding anyway, and they never OW climb again. It's a logical progression.

But this is all second-hand information for me. I max out at like 5.11/v4 OW, tops, and as far as I'm concerned, this is enough to get me up most big climbs that I'll ever do.


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By camhead
From Vandalia, Appalachia
Feb 21, 2012
You stay away from mah pig!

johnL wrote:
I think I might actually be the person described in the example above but it was never about a "name" it was about naivety.


You were one of the people that led me to this conclusion, but it was actually a conglomeration of many different people whom I've known about or heard about. heh.


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By Sergio P
From Idaho Springs, CO
Feb 21, 2012
World Champion NY Giants logo

Lie on your belly and crawl across a Walmart parking lot. It might not make you physically stronger, but it might help you get mentally stronger for OWs. At the very least it will be less painful then Vedauwoo.

On a similar note, I do feel there is a mental part that has to change in order to climb OW. You have to understand that it is usually a slower process. Even if the climbing is easy things like gear, water, rope, clothing, helmet, etc often get in the way. Be patient. Secondly, learn how to rest in new ways. Hanging off a knee, thigh, helmet, heel-toe, etc is a new sensation. Sometimes you can find OW sized cracks on buildings. Instead of climbing them, try to get in them and rest.


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By Ball
From Oakridge, OR
Feb 28, 2012
Sam Perkins; Ground-up FA; named because it's big and smooth

mozeman wrote:
Aside from just having experience, any other ways to practice off width without actually doing offwidth? if that makes sense?


No.

(how did this thread get so large?)


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By Princess Mia
From Vail
Apr 6, 2012
Chillin' at City of Rocks

OW climbing is one of my favorite ways to get bloody and bruised, working my ass off for what seems like eternity and yet only ascending an inch, and nothing beats the uncontrollable dry heaving.

:-)

I actually really love the wide stuff!!! Such a mind and body game trying to figure out what seems to be impossible body positions, yet they are needed to ascend.

IMHO a padded bra is absolutely necessary to protect the jugs!!!!!!

:-D


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By Umph!
Apr 6, 2012

Mia Tucholke wrote:
IMHO a padded bra is absolutely necessary to protect the jugs!!!!!! :-D


I hear ya sister.

Just get some Big Bros, #6's, and a cheap aider setup. . . OW is soooo easy.


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By Keenan Waeschle
From Bozeman, MT
Apr 6, 2012
on top of the RNWF <br />June 2012

some liquid courage and just go for it. you'll thrutch and dry heave a bit but eventually you'll figure it out. Really the only reason to learn, like many have said before, is for multipitch routes. There are lots out there with just a pitch or two of wyde, it can't all be good climbing, you gotta suffer for it.


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By todd w
May 18, 2012

just don't shit yourself


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By fat cow
From Salinas, CA
May 18, 2012
perfect seam

drinking peach schnapps and budweiser and screwing homely evangelical christians. It seemed like "THE BEST" at the time. When you got a little older and you realize that there are much finer things in life.quote>

such as? because that sounds amazing...


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