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By Curt Shannon
Apr 25, 2012
NC Rock Climber wrote:
Curt, I am a little confused. The QCC is now a 501c3 and in active negotiations with RCM according to their Facebook page. The Access Fund is fighting against the Oak Flat Land Exchange Bill. Does this mean that we still have two groups representing climbers that are pursuing two opposing and mutually exclusive paths? Any light you (or anyone else) could shed on this issue would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!


It's perhaps not quite as confusing as it may first appear. As of this post, the most recent bill (H.R.1904) and its provisions are uniformly opposed by the Access Fund, the CCA and the QCC--due to RCM's failure to adequately address climbing related issues. It is good that the climbing community continues to engage with RCM, just as it is proper that the climbing community continues to raise its various concerns with congress, the administration and the general public.

Curt

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By NC Rock Climber
From The Oven, AKA Phoenix
Apr 26, 2012
tanuki
Thanks for the reply, Curt! It is great to see that the various climber groups are aligned against this bill. What can individuals do to ensure that climbers continue to have access to Queen Creek and that this area is preserved for future generations?

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By Curt Shannon
Apr 26, 2012
NC Rock Climber wrote:
Thanks for the reply, Curt! It is great to see that the various climber groups are aligned against this bill. What can individuals do to ensure that climbers continue to have access to Queen Creek and that this area is preserved for future generations?


Signing the petition mentioned in the posts above is a good start, if you haven't already done so.

salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/...

Thanks. We need everyone's help.

Curt

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By ClimbPHX.com
From Mesa AZ
Apr 26, 2012
Final Pitch on Birdland - 5.7 Red Rocks
@NC - Get educated on the proposals on the table, you can find countless links to the various articles on the table through out these threads and links to the congress people - reach out to them - fax them, call them, email them - Let them hear your voice

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By ZachDKing
From Rumney NH
Apr 26, 2012
I'm a student in Prescott AZ, There is a huge climbing community here all in close proximity. Also, most of the students here are generally opposed to the loss of beautiful natural places in exchange for 'resources', as we all should be in my opinion. What can I do here in Prescott to help? Petitions? I'm relatively new to this activism stuff so I might need some beta. Thank you all SO MUCH for everything you're doing, I am ready to do whatever I need to do here in Prescott to help.

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By Fred AmRhein
Apr 26, 2012
If you are new to the issue, or maybe even a veteran, the link below may be of interest to shed light on some of the past controversies involved with a potential Oak Flat privatization.

The link leads to information and background on the Native American issues; how they've been treated not in the distant past but how they are still treated by the Federal Government from somebody evidently very close to the action.

I had heard of the particular confrontation between then-Chairman Nosie and then-Representative Ann Kirkpatrick that is described and the narrative included at the link further down succinctly illustrates the differences between cultures and how the one still aims to evidently dominate the other in un/sub/conscious ways in body, verbal, and legislative actions. It's an interesting read if you are so inclined to listen.

dailykos.com/story/2012/02/19/...

An interesting excerpt as it relates to the religious importance of the Oak Flat area to the San Carlos, Yavapai, and other Native communities:

[Rep. Kirkpatrick speaking to Chairman Nosie in her Washington Congressional Office] "Chairman, tell me, how is your religion going to put food on the table?" she said. "Tell me how your religion is going to help the children getting abused by their parents. How is your religion going to turn the bed sheets of your elders?"

The chairman stopped her. "Ann, don’t even go there," he said.

The meeting broke up minutes later. The chairman and Kirkpatrick haven’t spoken directly since.


I hope it helps with context.

Fred

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By Geir
From Tucson, AZ
Apr 29, 2012
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One thing that is definitely needed in this case is greater community involvement. Without a large number of people responding to the calls to action posted here we are less likely to be heard by the folks making decisions.

Please keep up to speed on what is happening here and take time to call, write, sign petitions, etc.

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By Lindajft
From maricopa, AZ
Apr 29, 2012
The loaf
Unity is definitely a refreshing idea among our community.


Let's....

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By Fred AmRhein
May 23, 2012
All is not quiet on the Oak Flat Preservation efforts:

1: economist.com/node/21552595

“Our grandfathers wouldn’t recognise the mines of today,” says Jon Cherry, vice-president of the Resolution Copper Company (a subsidiary of the Anglo-Australian firm Rio Tinto), in his office in Superior. “You essentially design them backwards. We’ll look first at the post-mine land use and how it will work, not only technically and economically but also socially.”

See #2, next post on how a local community was notified of RCM's efforts to locate a very large mine waste pile operation near their homes.

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By Fred AmRhein
May 23, 2012
More disquietude over Resolution's methods and plans:

2: hcn.org/issues/44.8/retirees-j...

"It hasn't helped that locals found out about the possible tailings dump only through a Freedom of Information Act request. On March 26, mine opponents briefed Queen Valley residents on emails between the Arizona State Land Department and Resolution showing the company's determination to acquire 11 square miles of the state land near the community as its "preferred" site, despite its public assertions that the tailings would probably go to an old strip mine about 30 miles northeast, over a high ridge.

Continuing from the article:

"In an email, state geologist John Schieffer scoffed at claims that the pile would eventually be covered with native vegetation. "Tailings are devoid of all nutrients. … It will be an ugly eyesore forever!" he wrote, adding that the company was planning to do geologic testing without permits, and that its hydrologic study plans were "poor."

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By Fred AmRhein
May 23, 2012
And then there's the politician quietly hoping to transfer revered public recreation lands to private hands as part of his legacy.

3: azcentral.com/news/articles/20...

An excerpt:

"Kyl also would like to complete some Arizona priorities before he leaves office but was somewhat pessimistic about a proposed Navajo-Hopi water-rights settlement, as well as land-swap legislation that would lead to a major new Resolution Copper mine near Superior

Fred

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By Fred AmRhein
May 23, 2012
And 4: Then there's a US House of Representatives member from Arizona, Jeff Flake, sounding eager to step into Sen. Kyl's soon to be empty shoes and take over where he will leave off. Aside from currently vying to take over for Kyl in the Senate, Flake is also a former Washington lobbyist for the mining interests that, unbeknownst to him he has said, included an Iranian stake in a uranium operation now owned by Rio Tinto, Resolution Copper's majority owner.

Reported just today:

huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/23/...

"Last October [Represenative Flake] voted for a 2,300-acre land swap in Arizona that would give the mining firm Rio Tinto access to copper there. Rio Tinto is the majority owner of the Namibian uranium mine in which Iran has a 15 percent stake. Flake voted against a Democratic measure that would have barred firms doing business with Iran from access to the U.S. copper.

Fred

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By Lindajft
From maricopa, AZ
May 24, 2012
The loaf
Pinal County EPA report

This is a very interesting report recently released. I think this speaks to the air quality in West Pinal County currently and ever more toward the dangers of damaging the air even further if the tailings are able to just sit on the corner of US60 and Florence Jct turnoff.


One bad dust storm coming West and the Valley won't be able to breathe.

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By ClimbandMine
Jun 1, 2012
'Cause in a bad dust storm the rest of the desert isn't covered in dirt that blows into Phoenix?

The dry portions of tailing ponds can be (and are) covered in a variety of coagulants that significantly reduce the dust coming off them, relative to the surroundings. The mine I worked at for the last 7 years used a helicopter to spray the beach with an algae-based dust suppressant every spring just before it dried out.

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By Geir
From Tucson, AZ
Jun 2, 2012
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ClimbandMine wrote:
'Cause in a bad dust storm the rest of the desert isn't covered in dirt that blows into Phoenix? The dry portions of tailing ponds can be (and are) covered in a variety of coagulants that significantly reduce the dust coming off them, relative to the surroundings. The mine I worked at for the last 7 years used a helicopter to spray the beach with an algae-based dust suppressant every spring just before it dried out.


No offense but I think think tailing dust is likely to be more dangerous than soil. The fact that we already have dust in the area doesn't change the fact that any sane person does not want the tailing pile near them.

It's nice to hear that some means to mitigate the tailing dust can be employed, but I don't want to rely on RCM's word that they will eliminate the health risks associated with this waste pile.

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By manuel rangel
From Tempe, Arizona
Jun 2, 2012
I used to drive through Globe for many years and always marveled how the dust from the huge tailing dump would just blow up and down Globe. The cows were placed there rather recently. They have donated a lot of shit to the mine's cause.

The last thing we need is a huge dry pile of ore soaked in crap we don't need to breathe.

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By ClimbandMine
Jun 3, 2012
manuel rangel wrote:
I used to drive through Globe for many years and always marveled how the dust from the huge tailing dump would just blow up and down Globe. The cows were placed there rather recently. They have donated a lot of shit to the mine's cause. The last thing we need is a huge dry pile of ore soaked in crap we don't need to breathe.


Is cow shit better or worse than human shit to manufacture topsoil in a place were none exists?

How about pig or sheep shit?

Are you sure the tailings piles hadn't been capped long ago and it wasn't just clay and dust from failed planting (topsoil) blowing off?

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By ClimbandMine
Jun 3, 2012
Geir wrote:
No offense but I think think tailing dust is likely to be more dangerous than soil. The fact that we already have dust in the area doesn't change the fact that any sane person does not want the tailing pile near them. It's nice to hear that some means to mitigate the tailing dust can be employed, but I don't want to rely on RCM's word that they will eliminate the health risks associated with this waste pile.


They why do people in towns like Green Valley MOVE IN right next to pre-existing mine sites / tailings facilities like Sierrita? Its not like the mines are hiding. Its not like Magma wasn't there before either.

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By Peter Franzen
Administrator
From Phoenix, AZ
Jun 3, 2012
Belay
ClimbandMine wrote:
They why do people in towns like Green Valley MOVE IN right next to pre-existing mine sites / tailings facilities like Sierrita? Its not like the mines are hiding. Its not like Magma wasn't there before either.

My guess is that the billboards on the highways that proclaim "Houses from the $120s" actually work. It's sad, but most people just don't know any better.

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By Geir
From Tucson, AZ
Jun 3, 2012
Toofast
ClimbandMine wrote:
They why do people in towns like Green Valley MOVE IN right next to pre-existing mine sites / tailings facilities like Sierrita? Its not like the mines are hiding. Its not like Magma wasn't there before either.


You have a point here, my statement was too broad. I should perhaps qualify my it: few sane people would knowingly choose to have a big wastepile of tailing next to their home.

I am all for a reasoned approach, though: if you can provide an exhaustive review of unbiased, controlled studies demonstrating that these waste products have no health risks than I will reconsider my position.

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By manuel rangel
From Tempe, Arizona
Jun 4, 2012
"Are you sure the tailings piles hadn't been capped long ago and it wasn't just clay and dust from failed planting (topsoil) blowing off?"

Does it matter what kind of dust was blowing in the town? It came from the pile the mine dumped right next to the highway. I'm sure Az has plenty of dust production already. We don't need a huge pile of any kind of shit next to the valley. It is already unhealthy and RCM only wants to add to our misery.

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By Lindajft
From maricopa, AZ
Jun 9, 2012
The loaf
To be clear:
The Concerned Climbers of AZ and the Access Fund are perfectly aligned on this issue: opposition to the current land exchange legislation

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By Lindajft
From maricopa, AZ
Jun 11, 2012
The loaf
True!  Do not sink this land
True!

Do not sink this land


DO NOT SINK THIS LAND!!!!

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By Lindajft
From maricopa, AZ
Jun 12, 2012
The loaf
257 FIRE - OAK FLAT AND SURROUNDING AREA

Happening right now


I thought everyone should know

Linda

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By Ben Beard
From Superior, AZ
Jun 12, 2012
roo, my only son, the stare that takes down a herd...
there is a sheriff posted at the Magma Mine road, don't plan on climbing at most places around Queen Creek for a while. Atlantis and the Pond is OK, but US60 could be shut down if the fire gets much worse.

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