If you took the four draws that were hanging up on a new project on the wall left of the Coffin could you please A. Hang them back up B. Drop them off at IME C. Just go buy me some new ones.

I just bought a new guitar and I don't want to shell out the money to buy four new ones. The Wife is already pissed about the guitar.

But seriously this is a new project I bolted it over Memorial Day. I just want the draws back.

cheers

PS
Maybe a couple of beers too for me letting whoever you are borrow them.

Tom,

It's a bummer someone removed your draws, and I hope you get them back.

But... somehow, I'm not sure any of this is going to motivate someone to contact you:

> C. Just go buy me some new ones

> I just bought a new guitar and I don't want to shell out the money...

> Maybe a couple of beers too for me letting whoever you are borrow them.

Yeah, you catch more flies with honey. I probably would've just posted that they were my draws and that I'd like them back, and THEN unload the obvious anger and frustration on the person that took 'em. Muahaha.

But good luck, hope they make their way back to ya.

This topic comes up often on MP with varying viewpoints on the righteousness of taking hung draws.

It sucks that people take draws that someone is obviously coming back for, but it is a fact of life.

Sorry to hear about it, but I suspect they're gone.

Yep, this thread again. Leaving your stuff on the wall is quite unattractive to many. If you leave your draws on a wall and they are gone when you return, oh well. That's the chance you took. Stop acting like you own the rock. Don't leave your draws in the first place. Oh, the route is sooo hard you can't even clip a draw to a bolt. Not a good enough reason to leave your shit. I don't feel bad for you at all. And I hope you don't get them back.

Think I'm violating "rule #1: don't be a jerk"? Well, I don't know a gentler way to express this point. I think guys like you are violating rule #1 when you leave you stuff on the walls, have it disappear, than expect it back, especially with your attitude, "maybe a couple of beers".

I have heard all the usual retorts. So, save your breathe.

i saw some draws up there on sunday night before i got rained off the coffin...went back there monday and they were not there...but i did give your route a go after climbing the coffin and the viewing and definately got my @ss kicked...the upper part should clean up nicely with a few more ascents, but the bottom is pretty gritty/rotten...

we used a gear belay in the flakes below the crack but saw a bolted anchor a few paces up and to the right of the bottom of the crack on my way back down?? perhaps starting in from the right would eliminate the rotten direct start...?

guestimated rating? felt 5.HARD

Mag, STFU you asshat. You've made it clear that you don't like draws left behind on projects, that it's an eyesore, blah blah blah. No need to chime in on EVERY FUCKING THREAD and write the EXACT SAME SHIT. Obviously your rants aren't gonna stop people from leaving draws behind and having them stolen. Neither will wishing they don't get their stuff back.

Tom left some gear behind, it was taken. Sucks for Tom. However, it's hard to blame him for wanting his stuff back. Maybe he should act less self-righteous about it though, obviously not everyone is going to respect the value of "a new project". He should have seen it coming anyway, he left gear on the most popular buttress in LCC. Anyway, if he can afford a guitar he can afford 4 draws. And quicklinks, that way if he really wants to leave stuff behind people will need to haul a wrench to get it, which eventually they will.

In conclusion: sand, vagina, wipes, STFU.

PS: Tom, what's the wall left of the Coffin? Below the rap from Final Link on upper Crescent Crack?

Sweet blogs

Boissel, so it's fine for someone to start a stupid thread, but Mag responding to it is totally in the wrong? Don't leave personal property in public places and expect it to stay there. This is common sense for most people but these threads pop up from time to time and generally get an appropriate response.

"This is common sense for most people but these threads pop up from time to time and generally get an appropriate response."

That is nonsense. If you don't like the draws hanging there (I would agree, it is an eyesore) then take them down and leave them at the base. Otherwise it is stealing. Plain and simple. Justifying stealing by stating that it should be expected if you leave your stuff in public is a weak ass cop out. My guess is that the person who stole the draws is a self righteous blow hard.

Boissal, fair enough.

Albers, I never said the draws should be taken, just that they obviously would, and whining about it is stupid.

I posted this last fall in a similar thread ...

Top 10 Reason why not to leave gear on projects

10. Considered an eye sore by others (Leave no Trace or as little as possible).

9. Someone will take them.

8. Someone else do the project route before you.

7. Some dumb shit will take them.

6. The climbing community is no long a community.

5. Some fucking dumb shit will take them.

4. It may take so long for you to do the route, the draw will rot

3. Some stupid fucking dumb shit will take them.

2. Leaving draws on a route is like a dog pissing on a pole. It may mark your spot but it does not prevent another from coming a long and pissing again and taking your mark.

1. We will not have to put up with yet another someone stole my draws thread.

Huh? I don't think Tom was whining. He simply posted that he wanted his stolen draws back. I dunno, perhaps I don't understand what you would qualify as whining, though I have to admit, it seems kinda dickish to call him a whiner just because he wants his shit back.

That ought to end the discussion. Fair enough Allen, well said.

When I go fishing I leave my pole there if I don't catch anything.

When I go mountain biking I leave my bike at the trailhead if I didn't do the ride without falling.

When I play tennis I leave my racket on the court if I lose.

When I bowl I leave my ball if I don't score 300.

When I have sex leave my shoes @ my ladies bedside.

I do this so that everyone will know that I didn't succeed, but I will return to try again.

I have nothing to say about the quick draws, but you seem to only leave your gear when you don't succeed. Mag, do you always leave your shoes?

Maybe something you should take up w/ your doctor.

3-4 links of 5/16ths chain, biner, 5/16ths quicklink double-wrenched w/ locktite. If someone steals those, it is a statement about ethics. Cheaper than a std. draw.

For Price and those that may not recognize sarcasm:

When I go sport climbing I leave my draws. This is just as silly and for the same reason as the above examples.

Mag, he didn't miss your sarcasm; you missed his. All the other (sarcastic, hypothetical) activities resulted in left gear because of EDIT: deferred success.

So what was wrong with your performance in bed? That one didn't belong in the (sarcastic, hypothetical) list unless you were (sarcastically, hypothetically) saying you can't quite deliver.

Get it?

huh!?! leaving project draws is failure?!
did i miss something?

better? :)

deferred success.
i like.