Someone stole my draws!!! I bolted a route just above the adjective. I hung my draws on it, left a fixed rope going through the draws so i could come back another time to clean it. Well, when i came back all my draws were gone!!! There was about 8 up there. I know not anyone can go up that and take off my draws. Someone with climbing knowlage and gear would have done it. I can hardly afford bolts and hangers to bolt a route but its something I wish to climb. Now someone has put a damper on me even going out and climb, which I love to do. Would that person who stole my draws want someone to distory part of their climbing life?

You didn't think someone would take them..? ,':| your crazy.

hey justin
hope you get 'em back....and if you do hit lukasassnick in the head with them for being a fun guy.

The same thing happened to me when I was bolting Treasure Island in Rock Canyon. Had 4 draws stolen. 8 draws is a lot, though. Hope you get em back.

-Tristan

It's sad when we can't even trust fellow climbers... :(

jay-ray: this is going to sound additionally crazy, but DON'T LEAVE DRAWS. your success in leaving an equipped route (visual blight, anyone?)in the past shouldn't encourage you to keep doing so. draws on a route equals draws on a route, little more. first bolt hanger missing means 'project'. leaving a note means 'read this note'. is Rock Canyon some fantasy enclave that doesn't allow the public? why didn't you clean it, and, why did you leave a rope? i'm surprised that losing them surprises you. but, i'm sorry that it destroyed you. lessons about the human condition are rarely cheap. sadly, there are bad people out there. if you're on a budget, consider keeping a closer eye on your assets.

Ha, its called booty.

Lets jump in to metaphores.

Lets say your going up a route and you can't do a section, neither can your partner. Its getting late, you place a piece to rap off to the next anchor, and down from there.
The next day somebody does the same route and climbs past your bail piece, call it booty, and finish the route.

Now, you projecting a sport route, your route, a new route. A guy comes by and climbs it. call it booty.

I would say if you leave it in the rain and sun, over night. You chose to give it away.

o'no here we go again ~ sorry for your loss justin

I left it all on the wall because i bolted a route and was in the process of cleaning it which i didn't finish previously. I was providing all the hard work and money to give climbers another quilty route. The wall is not a common place for any average person or climber to walk to. Only a handfull of people know about it. I don't need to be lectured on anyone elses views. I know leaving something somewhere means it could be 'ganked'. But you know, I thought climbers had better understanding and respect.

Ha F you kirra. jk

Yea im just devel advocating, but that sucks.

F'me...?? ~ whats up yer butt today lucas ~

I never said it didn't *suck*

BTW....

Why do people always reply on these forums with opposition? Reminds me of a bunch of dogs peeing all over the place.

np jk :)

jr- not that losing stuff doesn't suck (i completely and positively encourage you to rail about whatever is bugging you, and to leave all your gear in a convenient place for others), but at least it sounds like you can guess which of the few that visit the crag has your quicks (what happened to the rope?). but, are you shocked that your cries might elicit the opinion that it's 'at your own risk'? you should know that sympathy for the trivial is in short supply, even for angelic role-model do-gooders like you and me. i hope no one chops the route- THAT would be a loss worth making noise about.

Mic

They left the rope, I'm assuming they used my rope to get the draws. I'm pissed that people do that. The main reason for posting here is for someone to read it that has info about who took them. If the person that took them reads this i hope he will give them back and learns a lesson not to touch others draws and not for the takings.

Ah man, sorry to hear it. I'm extremely distrusting of other climbers in heavy traffic areas. Even on rarely climbed alpine rock I won't leave stuff. I once ran into some moose backcountry skiing in Butler Fork (BCC) and I ditched my skis to flee the moose and ran up the mountain side. I knew somebody would steal 'em the next morning, so I went back up at 4am to get them before the dawn patrol. It's always a bummer to get stuff stolen and leaves you feeling pissed. I hope you get the gear back, but the chances are unlikely. As you climb further back into the wilderness you will meet fewer punks and more courteous climbers.

Nothing crazy happened here. Nobody is going to learn a lesson but you (I hope). Proj all you want, bolt all you want if natural gear isn't available. But don't leave you gear or don't complain someone "stole it". Every piece of climbing gear I find I consider trash. If every climber left the rock as they found it there would be no conflict among climbers.

Greg D
how can one bolt rock as you suggest is okay, and leave the rock as you found it? This is exactly the problem with people who take your stance. You don't realize your ethics are situational, just like the rest of us.
I think the real problem is that there are some people who like to take other people's stuff.

I think you/all/us should stop implying this climbing community, because its not a community.


and sock dude

I would gladly take them, but its "relative" and I might give back to you.