thanks Craig. i believe that is the trail we intended but definitely missed. I think maybe we were too far east. when i find it, I'll be sure to install some overhead signs with brochure type advertisements saying "fin this way!" "a must climb" "not to be missed raves rolling stone!"

This sucks, but I think it is just the beginning of something very bad.

Who ever is doing this is not going to stop.

The last thing we want to do is involve the forest service, Unless we have a witness and can have charges filed!!!

What if the climbing community were to come up with some kind of "drilling manifesto" that could be distributed with any drills and drill bits that are sold. You would have to get some kind of deal with either the drill makers or the bigger sellers like rei and mountain gear. I'm sure the smaller dedicated climbing shops would easily adopt the plan.

As for electric and gas drills I don't think this would help at all seeing that they probably come from home depot or other hardware store.

I'm not really a driller and can't really guess if these perps are using hand drills or electric/gas but it seems like some kind of education might help remedy the problem. Then again, some people are just idiots and would still do whatever they wanted.

The local guidebooks are MORE than enough to get people to where they want to go. Above all that there is the internet where you can find step by step instructions on getting just about anywhere. There is always trail work that can be done, to minimize erosion, make sure areas aren't getting trampled all over. For the fuurther and less visited areas, a good healthy scrub oak thrashing, even if it takes up a good part of the day, is something that every Wasatch climber should have to do every once in a while.
The chipped signs are ridiculous and wooden signs are probably not an option in LCC. The trails are way better now, for the most part, than they were 15 years ago. I don't recall having too many problems finding the climbing ever. Like previously stated, a little common sense is about all that is needed. And if you find yourself in the brush for hours and hours, just count it as another day in Little Rottonwood.

Ben's right. Part of climbing is getting to know areas and occasionally getting lost during that process. Exploring and discovering something new only happens once, climbers should try and enjoy it.

this sounds like someone who is REALLY high doing this or quite possibly a boy scout project. maybe both.

at least they arent painting every other tree and rock on the trail with arrows and such like in the east.

Its already been stated here, but I'll say it again.

There won't be any signs on church property, pretty much end of story. Church lawyers are under the illusion that they will have increased liability for an accident if they take any action to "enable" climbing. So, forget about signage for the Fin, Thumb, Gate, etc. I won't even discuss the trails themselves here on a public forum.

As for USFS property, the new trail to the Egg etc is nowhere to be found in existing guidebooks, obviously, but the location of the climbs themselves certainly is. Most any rock retard ought to be able to find their way up there. I don't have a problem with wooden posts or such that keep people on the right trail, but this crap isn't rocket science. Hopefully the idiot doing this stuff will catch on and stop, or someone else will clue him in.

I have a feeling that we are dealing with someone in desperate need of attention, so I think we are just feeding the troll here.

To sum it up, we have talked about putting some signs in to mark the new trail, but this is obviously not necessary. In the future there could be a bulletin board with a map and any important notices at the park and ride trail head. Some "restoration area" signs need to be installed in a few areas. Hopefully they won't be ripped out.

Enjoy the remaining "wildness" of LCC. As the trail system continues to gradually improve there will be signs, more climbers, and more use by the general public.