Does the xerox topo that's available for all the new routes in upper LCC show the old routes too? If not, it would be nice to see a little guide for the area. Same goes with Turd Ferguson canyon. I can hear the purists and xenophobes grumbling as I type.

The photo copy guide shows only the new routes. Many of the routes are now part of the mtn. project database. I have found that if you are a solid 5.11 climber that the routes are well with in reach. As such, I tend to grab a bunch of draws and launch off.

hehe. I hear ya. My attention span is so short that I get confused and forget flipping between guides. I could do it, but it'd have to be done in crayon.