Agree that yelling is annoying. It is also unnecessary, although I did it for years. However, I have been using a rope tug system for several years now for every style of climbing and it works very well. We use three sharp tugs on the rope, both for "on belay" and "off belay." There is no confusion because of the natural time that elapses during a lead. However, you can always yell if you absolutely have to (such as massive rope drag), so there is no downside to just trying it and seeing for yourself how easy and safe it is to use. I would recommend not using different numbers of tugs, though, as that definitely could create confusion. You want something simple that can't be misconstrued.

big difference between yelling off belay and a three minute conversation.

also, come on, its BCC! if you want to get away from the noise, go to bells canyon, big willow canyon, etc. expecting peace in the cottonwoods unless you hike your ass off to somewhere like the pawn is sort of like expecting a wilderness experience inbounds at alta.

as long as you use the right radios they dont beep or make annoying noises. As for wanting to know someone else is around thats another topic completely.

Motorola SX800R (22 Channels) 2-Way Radio

SAL-cool it bro. just annoyed by some climbers. and hate when i have to inhale the same smoke as them

SAL- Forum somewhere else. You are not adding to a conversation, you are only interested in arguing with me. If you think i have "hair brained ideas" than find a more itilectualy stimulating conversation for yourself somewhere else.

Hmmm... well, I think the sound of radios even if they don't beep or crackle much are still pretty godawful. There's no getting away from the bandlimiting and distortion, and it's right in the frequency range that the human ear is most sensitive to- the same frequency range as a baby crying, so we are hardwired to be sensitive to sounds in that range. IOW, your radio will be annoying, perhaps even more annoying to others than yelling is to you.

Plus, It just reeks of the same ridiculous obsession for gadgetry that some climbers seem to possess, whether it's "technical clothing" (which usually sucks), bringing the full rack to the sport crag, radios, you name it- useless STUFF. Simply not necessary for a lot of us, and we're not going to buy into it.

If you want solitude (which is really what your issue seems to be), there are plenty of fun crags in both Little and Big, not to mention other areas that see few visitors, go there. Yes, you will probably have to hike a few minutes to get to them, but hey, it seems rather selfish to demand that other people act differently for the sake of your own convenience.

p.s. S Gileadi- Thanks for the tick suggesstion. i bet it will come in useful soon.

John,
You are right. I will go buy some motorolla xoxoxoxo radios so you can have the canyons to yourself. Please PM me with any where you may be climbing so I can make a point to avoid that area in case the batteries to my radio are not charged.

Happy sending in peace!

ps. what happened to the title of this thread??

Just pm the mods to remove the post if you have so little conviction. Deleting the title and opening post is weak. For those who missed it - this guy hates people that use verbal cues for 'On Belay' and 'Off Belay'.

Maybe we need an 'Unrealistic Expectations' forum for MP. I can start by bitching about all the people on Green Mountain who didn't show up until the snow melted.

just saw that this is your first season leading trad in another post. this explains everything about this thread...

OMG SAL -- Now you've gone and done it... John's headed off into the Winds...!!!!!

Gaads *LOOKOUT CLIMBERS* of Wyoming...
better have yer radios ready and Don't YELL or CALL OUT otherwise who knows what could happen to ya'll out there ~ ~ ~