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Red Queen 

5.13b

   

FA: Matt Samet, Lee Sheftel 1992
Type: Sport
Consensus: 5.13b [details]
Length: 1 pitch, 45 feet
Season: spring through fall
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Submitted By: msamet on Nov 1, 2007


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Description 

This was the second route up the main overhang of the Frog Prince Buttress, but has more or less been lost to history as a variation, as Through the Looking Glass and White Queen were added. (It's incorrectly listed as a variation to White Queen in Dennis Jackson's guidebook.)

Begin about 10 feet right of Babies (aka Frog Prince) up on the ledge. Boulder past the first two bolts on flatter pockets, then big moves to more incut lips, trending right along the arc of the overhang. Where Through the Looking Glass goes straight up, you move right again to the lip crux of White Queen.

The Socorro Boys (Dylan and Jake) said we were on crack for climbing the "Mud Wall" -- we probably were, but it turned into a good route once it cleaned up. I've heard rumors of pockets at the lip crux being enhanced since the FA -- not sure, don't care, whatever.


Location 

Center of the south-facing, overhanging central wall on the Frog Prince Buttress.


Protection 

6 or 7 draws, and two draws for the anchors.



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By Monomaniac
From: Morrison, CO
Nov 1, 2007

I heard the same rumor of post-FA chipping, but I heard it from Alf, so take it with a grain of salt.

By Bob D'Antonio
From: Superior, CO
Nov 1, 2007

Mono wrote: I heard the same rumor of post-FA chipping, but I heard it from Alf, so take it with a grain of salt

That's pretty funny. It was more than likely that Alf was doing the chipping.

By Monomaniac
From: Morrison, CO
Nov 1, 2007

That's sort of what I was thinking. Did he say it as an accusation, or an admission? But he was packing heat, so I didn't press the issue.

By DisturbingThePeace
From: Albuquerque, NM
Nov 1, 2007

More Alf trivia; According to Alf, Goliath wouldn't go until it was chipped as well.

By msamet
Nov 2, 2007

Not sure if I heard it was Alf, or not. Lance H. had told me this, or maybe Jean D. -- that a two-finger helper pocket at the lip had been, well, "helped." We tuff-cleaned the route in the first place -- business end of a toothbrush or maybe even a screwdriver to get ash out of the pockets, ala Cochiti Mesa. I don't remember. Cleaning, not chipping, but still -- on the soft rock...

It's a big grey area.

So anything could have happened later, too.