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Description
Rebolted in Summer '06 to eliminate climbing through bad rock at top. Anchors moved lower. Loose rock cleaned.
Also, two bolts added to bottom for a more interesting and fun start.
note*: this route never saw traffic due to its bad rock character. There is great climbing on this wall and it was a shame not to be able to access it just because the first ascensionist thought it should go to the top of the pillar. I hope nobody's feelings were hurt.
Location
route #2 on map. Second route from the entrance of grotto on left side.
Aaron, The original route was never finished due to the Cerro Grande Fire of 2000. Everyone who was working on this route either got their house burned or thier lives shuffled a bit. The last hole was drilled and the bolt never got installed. The route was incomplete. I view the changing of this route without approval clueless and disrespectful. It was a fine climb the way it was and I would like to see it restored back to its original condition even if I have to do it myself. Just because your opinoin is different does not give you authority to mess with someones unfinished project. You could at least communicate first.
Monomaniac, that is correct. There were several life interruptions at that time.
By BrettPierce From: Colorado Springs Aug 19, 2007
Six years seems like more than enough time for someone to consider it an abandoned project. If the route were that important to you, I think you would have found some spare afternoon of a few hours to finish it up over the course of six years.
I think its pretty unfair to assualt Aaron for cleaning up a route that was left abandoned for six years. What is the statute of limitations on an abandoned project?
I don't think Aaron did anything wrong at all. He should be thanked for cleaning this route up.
I apologize for altering the route without contacting you, I dont think we've ever met and I sure didn't know who had FA'd this line. I am also sorry that you were affected by the fire and I understand that other things are more important than finishing a route.
I would be more than pleased to have you restore this climb to its original condition but please also consider that it is now climbed frequently by many where it was pretty much covered in dust and cobwebs prior to its retro/completion.
Aaron-Apology accepted. A bit of history: We thoroughly cleaned this route as much as we could and the last bolt was drilled but never installed due to crummy rock at the top. It was led several times in this condition, and the bottom section was fine and didn't really need to be moved. If anything, you might of kept that intact, and used your new two bolts at the bottom as a variation. At the time it was another way up to the upper tier. Nowadays due to the retro, that is not a possibility.
First time on this route and I'm really surprised to see only 1 or 2 stars for it because I thought it was excellent. Sustained at the 11a grade with a crux that my partner and I agreed was solid 11b. I'll definitely do this one again the next time I'm back in the Grotto.