By Will S
From Joshua Tree
Apr 12, 2012
| Darren in Vegas wrote: If you don't like the music, don't listen to it.
Awesome. Darren for the win. | 
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By J. Albers
From Colorado
Apr 12, 2012
| Eric Coffman wrote: Why does it seem like everyone else wants to tell others what to do? There are already enough rules and regulations in both the city and the climbing areas. If you cant enjoy yourself without bossing someone else around or expecting them to be courteous stay home.
...said the self-entitled person. |
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By Mike Lane
From Centennial, CO
Apr 12, 2012
| Ian Stewart wrote: No, what Darren said was essentially "if you don't like their music, ignore it", which is exactly what you'd likely do in these situations.
Actually what Darren did was a play on the "If you don't like the bolt then don't clip it" statement, which I think was extremely well-played |
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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Apr 12, 2012
| There's no satisfying the unhappily pious, so you may as well crank the freedom rock ;). |
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By J. Albers
From Colorado
Apr 12, 2012
| Jonhy Q wrote: Crank up the music and let the cry babies deal with it how they always do: in on-line forums with pathetic self entitled rants.
Perhaps it is the other way around Mister Q. I have had the opposite experience, i.e. I asked (nicely) for someone to turn their music off at a crag a couple of times. Instead of discussing their discontent with me personally, they tracked me down on MP, made up a new profile moniker to hide their name and then proceeded to send me email rants telling me what a sh*thead I am and that I should stay out of their state (little did this person know that I was a local in their "home" long before they moved there). It is my observation that most people that want to listen to music loudly outside fall into one of two categories:
(1) people with a huge amount of self-entitlement (i.e. their statements begin with: "I want to do/listen to [X]....")
or
(2) people that are completely clueless as to how their actions might affect those around them |
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By APBT1976
From Never never land...
Apr 12, 2012
| J. Albers wrote: ...said the self-entitled person.
Ding ding ding. You win the prize.
This is kinda exactly like the guy that ties his dog to a tree all day for you to listen bark and cray all dam day and then when he does let it off the leash it is so wound it goes and sniffs every dam leg and piece of gear at the crag just before it pissed on your stuff or bumps you of the rock as you are getting started up it.
Self entitled are those whom make decisions that force others to go along with there decision. But trying to talk sense to the self entitled is a waste of your dam time.
I live next to a a hand full of towns that are the east coast equivalent to Beverly Hills and i will be dammed if it does not seem it is everyone for them self and fuck you if you get in my way or don't like it. Really makes you want to run for the hills in many ways and never come back. |
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By Rob Dillon
From '81 Sunrader
Apr 12, 2012
| WHOA! Rock! Sorry, it was loose- it hit your tinny little iPod? Really? Guess you shouldn't have brought that thing to the base of a cliff with people climbing on it. |
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By J Q
Apr 13, 2012
| J. Albers wrote: Perhaps it is the other way around Mister Q. I have had the opposite experience, i.e. I asked (nicely) for someone to turn their music off at a crag a couple of times. Instead of discussing their discontent with me personally, they tracked me down on MP, made up a new profile moniker to hide their name and then proceeded to send me email rants telling me what a sh*thead I am and that I should stay out of their state (little did this person know that I was a local in their "home" long before they moved there). It is my observation that most people that want to listen to music loudly outside fall into one of two categories: (1) people with a huge amount of self-entitlement (i.e. their statements begin with: "I want to do/listen to [X]....") or (2) people that are completely clueless as to how their actions might affect those around them
Personal e-mails seem way more direct than an mp thread addressed to the community at large, maybe they were taking it up with you directly and you couldn't handle their directness? It is my experience that people who ask other to turn off their music at the crag have a few self-entitlements as well:
"My experience is more important than yours so let me have what I want and you can suck an egg."
Kinda like:
"I love the nature and you make it cry"
Or:
"Mom told me I am special and I should get what I want"
Let me ask you this? Did this person set down next to you and enforce their will on you or did you set down next to this person and enforce your will on them? No way you had any part in this experience huh?
Damm those other people, always causing you problems! |
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By Jake Jones
From The Eastern Flatlands
Apr 13, 2012
| Those that have the right (which truly everyone does) to blare music next to me, forego the right to NOT have me hold up a lighter and scream "FREEBIRD!" right next to their belayer whilst they work a sequence. That way, either both of us are imposing wills, or neither. |
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By mitchy
From nunya gotdamn business.
Apr 13, 2012
| I don't really have a problem like this at my local crag, primarily because it's an effing secret and need to keep it that way so BS like this doesn't happen. If, on the other hand someone came up and started blasting some tunes, i prolly wouldn't mind as long as it's some shit i dig. If the jams were harshin' my mellow, then i would have to smoke another bowl and reasses the sitch, do i go and confront the person and prolly cause a scene, or do i just chill, do a few more laps and split. if for some godawful reason i forgot my weed in the car, then i pull the rope start some trouble and leave. So you need to ax yourself if tunes are really necessary at the crag. |
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By Darren in Vegas
From Las Vegas, NV
Apr 13, 2012
| Mike Lane wrote: Actually what Darren did was a play on the "If you don't like the bolt then don't clip it" statement, which I think was extremely well-played
I'm glad someone picked up on this. |
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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Apr 13, 2012
| Jeff Chrisler wrote: I hit up Boulder Canyon with some buddies this afternoon and when we arrived at our crag of choice, there was music playing on an ipod connected to a battery powered speaker. I enjoyed the first music they were playing, but then it got a bit ridiculous and loud. I felt like an old man muttering to myself, "Damn kids, and their music!" Really though, I go outside to climb to enjoy all that comes with that, and that means... quiet! Should that be my reaction or am I just a dirty old man... already?
Internally, any reaction you have is the one you have.
The question is, did you approach the people playing the music and try to talk to them about it?
How you handle your reaction says a lot more about you than what your feeling is on the matter. |
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By M Sprague
Administrator
From New England
Apr 13, 2012
| Fortunately, at the crag, when there are people who are too rude and out of it to know when to turn their radio down or off when politely asked, there is usually a convenient scree field to toss it into. The "accidental" kick into a rock also works. |
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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Apr 13, 2012
| Stich wrote: I propose we have a Goth/Industrial night down at Shelf. Tony B will supply all of the MP3s. I'll bring the disco lights and amyl nitra...I mean, beer. One you lock the target, Two you bait the line, Three you slowly spread the net And four you catch the man!
wasted truth, why call it all, blue?
hot lines, eventual decline.
with the right attitude you will succeed, blue.
resent that discontent, sidestep.
define the state of things so far.
crazy things, soft spoken..override.
with your eyes open,
you know soft spoken changes nothing.
a view so cruel. |
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By BScallout
Apr 13, 2012
| M Sprague wrote: Fortunately, at the crag, when there are people who are too rude and out of it to know when to turn their radio down or off when politely asked, there is usually a convenient scree field to toss it into. The "accidental" kick into a rock also works.
You sir are correct. Best solution here.
Although I would bet my bottom dollar most interent whiners wouldn't have the balls to do this in person. |
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By Buff Johnson
Apr 13, 2012
| I usually notice more rockfall on my route when the house music gets louder |
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By Jake Jones
From The Eastern Flatlands
Apr 13, 2012
| BScallout wrote: You sir are correct. Best solution here. Although I would bet my bottom dollar most interent whiners wouldn't have the balls to do this in person.
LOL. You're right. I think I'm fairly non-confrontational. However, I don't think I would come to MP and start a thread about it either, after all I did was clean my route, pull my gear, and sneer when the guy with the battery Bose Sound Dock was looking the other way; for fear of being called an internet whiner that has no balls. Another way to look at it is that being annoyed by music isn't really a reason to destroy someone's property or bash their face in. However, if the guy (or girl, it's a brave new world out there) is pushing up on your girlfriend to the soothing electronic melodies of Moby, that's a different matter entirely. |
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