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By Avi Katz
Mar 3, 2013

I recently purchased a Cilogear pack from MP user goldsmith at www.mountainproject.com/v/fs-v25-cilogear-45l-/107971126 I paypalled him a week ago and haven't heard a peep since. I've sent numerous emails to him and still nothing.

It seems he has taken my money and decided not to give me my goods in return. Pretty sure that is stealing.

Bottom line: do not buy anything from GOLDSMITH, if you know him, give him a kick in the junk from me.


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By Rob Davis
From Brooklyn, NY
Mar 3, 2013

one week and he's already a scammer? I think you may be a little amazon-2-day-shipping-policy-spoiled.


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By Avi Katz
Mar 3, 2013

I dont expect it in the mail immediately, its the week of no communication that seems shady. Is that being paranoid?


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By Jeff Kent
From Sedona, Az
Mar 3, 2013

Attention dumbass: Don't ever pay in gift form to people you don't know. That is all.


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By Austin Baird
From SLC, Utah
Mar 3, 2013
Me scaring years off my mom's life

From any other subsection of the population - yeah. From climbers who check their emails once a week in between dirtbagging and roadtripping and trying to find their next job...probably not. I always give climbers much more latitude concerning the frequency of their communications.


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By Avi Katz
Mar 3, 2013

thats fair. I'd like to be wrong.


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By DoesNotCare
From Heaven
Mar 3, 2013
Are you Chicken, or fishy?

It took over a month to get some shitty climbing holds I bought from that tool.

Also beware of BENXCSKI.


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By S Denny
From Carbondale, CO
Mar 3, 2013

sweagan wrote:
Also beware of BENXCSKI.


...why?

let's relax here people. if you want service, pay retail for it! jeez!

you're dealing with (potentially) dirtbag climbers living in vehicles here.

one week flies by fast when you're out having fun, you desk-jockeys have plenty of time to sit around and get frustrated. just chill. if you're shit doesn't show up in a month take action.

but really there isn't much else you can do besides slander these poor people


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By S Denny
From Carbondale, CO
Mar 3, 2013

also, in my experience there is almost never a situation on MP where it actually ends with no gear and no refund. it seems that most times the buyer freaks out prematurely and then they get their gear or money and STFU real quick


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By Fat Dad
From Los Angeles, CA
Mar 3, 2013

Bottom line: you shouldn't be accepting people's money if you are not going to promptly forward the goods you offered in exchange for it. The 'I'm dirtbgging and can't get to the post office' excuse is just weak.


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By Ben Beckerich
From saint helens, oregon
Mar 3, 2013
About half way up the East Arete on Illumination Rock

I got payment from a dude for some crampons like two weeks ago and they were still sitting in my gear room as of yesterday morning. I immediately responded to his WTF-is-my-shit email, cause I keep up on my Verizon bill, but we climbers are just a bunch of flakes.

That's sum bullshit- don't get me wrong. But it seems too early to call him a crook. He's probably just a superflake.


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By Sisyphus
From here and there
Mar 3, 2013
willie

S Denny-In general I think you're right, and people need to chill out, but I cant help but think a posting like this doesn't light a fire under someones ass to get a situation made right.

The one thing I find pretty lame is when some ass bag buys your stuff, then turns around and posts it back up the day after he receives it for a few buck more. I dont sell stuff here to make money..if im not using it and someone else can, great, Im all for hooking fellow climbers up, but not so they can make a buck, go to ebay for that...a rant I guess to the S Dennys question why..


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By Mark Wyss
From Denver, CO
Mar 3, 2013
Mt. Baker

When Goldsmith made the decision to sell something here, it is his responsibility to keep in contact with the purchaser till the transaction is complete. It is also the purchaser's responsibility to do the same.

If Goldsmith is dirtbagging or on a road trip, it is common courtesy to inform the buyer of the circumstances when the item it sold. This is not difficult at all. One email containing one or two sentences before departure. A couple of examples: "Hey I'm on a road trip and will not have access to my email for a week. Will get back with you when I have access to a computer" or "Hey I'm living out of a van at the moment so email is hard to access sometimes. I will get back with you in a few days".

I'm not exonerating the OP. There are two sides to every story. It is possible that something came up...life happens. But one whole week?? If we take the OP's word for it, Goldsmith is a flake and no one should buy anything from him. But I would give it a few days. Now that this thread has been created, Goldsmith might post his side of the story and ultimately you will get your gear.


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By David Sahalie
From on the road again
Mar 3, 2013

Another week, another MP scam with an OP complaining that some random person stole from him

Will the buyers continue to defend this system with no recourse?

Of course! You can always trust other climbers!


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By Jake Jones
From The Eastern Flatlands
Mar 3, 2013
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after a day of cragging.

Apparently the OP missed the "cam scam" from a week or two ago. Another nine days and a few more pages slamming the MIA seller, and all should be well.


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By Avi Katz
Mar 3, 2013

goldsmith emailed me today. I was wrong to be so impatient and quick to hostility.
My sincerest apologies goldsmith


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By frankstoneline
Mar 3, 2013

Fat Dad wrote:
Bottom line: you shouldn't be accepting people's money if you are not going to promptly forward the goods you offered in exchange for it. The 'I'm dirtbgging and can't get to the post office' excuse is just weak.


As was mentioned before, the flip side of this point is, "if you are so damn concerned about service pay retail off amazon"

If I post something up for sale and someone pays for it three days later while I'm out for the weekend I'm not going to feel bad about them having to wait a few days for what is probably a decent deal on some stuff. Everyone be warned if you intend to buy anything from me.

Also, OP should amend this thread title so as to not slander the seller.


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By Paul-B
Mar 3, 2013
Flakes of Wrath

frankstoneline wrote:
Also, OP should amend this thread title so as to not slander the seller.



I was about to say the same


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By worth russell
From Brooklyn, NY
Mar 3, 2013

I bought a pair of pants on here tha never showed. I gifted the money and received no tracking number and no picture of postal receipt. Three months went buy with the reply that they had shipped and he was tracing them down. Yesterday got a refund from seller. He could have screwed me but didn't. They're not all scammers.


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By Paul-B
Mar 3, 2013
Flakes of Wrath

I recently sold a pair of crampon linking bars to some poor guy, somehow they showed up as a single rather than a pair...never did find the other...have no idea what happened. Obviously, I refunded. Bottom line, if you want gear well below retail, expect a little longer wait, or a few fuck ups now and then. If you can't deal with that, pay retail.

Whatever you do, DO NOT PAY PAYPAL GIFT. If you're getting a killer deal a bit of a delay in shipping is okay, a seller f-ing up and refunding you is fine, somebody straight up scamming you is not. Paypal purchase is the best way to protect yourself.


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By Woodchuck ATC
Mar 3, 2013
Rock Wars, RRG, 2008

Really depends on the person I'd imagine. Some I've bought from don't treat it as a business sale or responsibility,,they've acted like it was just something to do (ship it) in their free time, which might be a week or more away it turned out. One later tells me he was out of town and not home to ship it,,,BUT he certainly was on the ball to demand immediate paypal payment. I'd HOPE for at least a 48 hour turnaround on the purchases made here, but have found out that a week or more before they even put it in the slow mail bin is typical.


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By frankstoneline
Mar 3, 2013

Woodchuck ATC wrote:
Really depends on the person I'd imagine. Some I've bought from don't treat it as a business sale or responsibility,,they've acted like it was just something to do (ship it) in their free time, which might be a week or more away it turned out. One later tells me he was out of town and not home to ship it,,,BUT he certainly was on the ball to demand immediate paypal payment. I'd HOPE for at least a 48 hour turnaround on the purchases made here, but have found out that a week or more before they even put it in the slow mail bin is typical.



I wasnt saying people should ship it a week and a half after payment, but generally I figure it's worth sending an email about if it's been 10-12 business days and I havent seen the item. Figure that gives the seller 4 days to ship and 5 days in transit plus a couple non business days.


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By Stephen Magnuson
Mar 3, 2013

Bad experience with this exact situation/person. I understand that we are all busy and doing our own thing but I purchased this SAME pack from him and had the same situation. As of last week after over 2 and a half months dealing with him I just now got a refund for the pack that never was sent. Don't know what his deal is but he's got something going on. Had over 20 email exchanges with him all very patient and when I finally lost it, a refund finally came.

Best of Luck


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By Pete Spri
Mar 3, 2013

Teens and 20-somethings need to learn about the postal service, and how it works. It's not Internet Fast, you know.


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By Fat Dad
From Los Angeles, CA
Mar 4, 2013

Most of understand by now how the mail works. But if the seller is going to drag his or her feet they could at least respond to the buyer's inquiries about status of shipment, which this seller did not. I think some of the responses to this thread would be very different if the seller had shipped the goods promptly and then had to deal with a nonresponsive, recalcitrant 'just chill bro' attitude from the buyer.


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By Mark Wyss
From Denver, CO
Mar 4, 2013
Mt. Baker

Avi Katz wrote:
goldsmith emailed me today. I was wrong to be so impatient and quick to hostility. My sincerest apologies goldsmith


Just curious, what was the reason for the delay? I'm thinking that whatever reason he gave you is nonsense and it's the thread that ultimately prompted the response.


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