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Nov 2, 2012
Bocan
Yo Momma'99 wrote:
belay gloves are useless too....unless u r Stallone in Cliffhanger...


You have no idea what you're talking about. Look how many accidents are caused by people getting dropped because their belayer's hands were rope burned after a fall.

And what's useless about not having black hands after a day of climbing?
Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Joined Feb 15, 2006
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Nov 2, 2012
Bocan
Yo Momma'99 wrote:
Rope burn is not caused by the lack of glove but by an incompetent belayer. Black hands and hands roughened from training ...callused is what makes them beautiful climber hands...not some soft pussy slug like appendages


Does it matter when you are the one that was dropped? I've read enough examples of burns being the cause of the fall to compell me to think they are not a bad idea at all.

Regardless rope burns happen and you can't say 100% that every case was bad belaying. They are an optional piece of safety equipment. No one HAS to wear them, but that certainly doesn't make them useless piece of gear.
Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
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Nov 2, 2012
Wall Street, Moab, UT
Yo Mamma'99... member since Oct 20th, 2012. Looks like Ellenor is back... Peter Stokes
From Them Thar Hills
Joined Apr 30, 2009
152 points
Nov 2, 2012
A grey fox skull wedged in a crack 100' up on a FA...
Peter Stokes wrote:
Yo Mamma'99... member since Oct 20th, 2012. Looks like Ellenor is back...


She's already been outed

mountainproject.com/v/herb-and...

She seems to have some penned up anger issues.
Glenn Schuler
From Monument, Co.
Joined Jun 24, 2006
974 points
Nov 2, 2012
Bocan
Yo Momma'99 wrote:
Dude...seriously? Why? Dude the only time I glove up to belay is when the ropes are icy. You are either a beginner climber, a non moving cubical office worker or a hand model. Maybe a glove could be justified in the older days with hip belays and manila ropes where " the belay rope gotto run" type belay...but common man what r u talking about?


Dude..Dude..Dude...Dude...

From the Colorado RMRG
"20% of all climbing accidents could have been prevented by better belay practices such as tying a knot in the end of the rope, or wearing belay gloves".

I'd say that's a pretty high percentage of avoidable accidents. I don't wear them all the time, but quite often I do. I've never needed a seatbelt either, but I try to wear it most of the time. Just because I've never needed it, doesn't make it a bad idea.

Oh and you don't know the first thing about me dude...

rockymountainrescue.org/Climbi...
Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Joined Feb 15, 2006
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Nov 2, 2012
Bocan
Style and life tips from Ellenor.

And it's not even Christmas.
Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
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Nov 2, 2012


The biwire carabiners could be interesting if you want a lightweight "locking carabiners"
waltereo
Joined Jul 7, 2007
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Nov 2, 2012
Peter Stokes wrote:
Yo Mamma'99... member since Oct 20th, 2012. Looks like Ellenor is back...


Who the hell is Ellenor ??
waltereo
Joined Jul 7, 2007
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Nov 2, 2012
Bocan
waltereo wrote:
Who the hell is Ellenor ??


The queen of all trolls. Her accounts are consistently deactived, but she always morphs back under new avatars. Typically is known by bad grammar, run on sentences, ramblings and general incoherent mass posts that deconstruct most threads.

It's not a good thing.
Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Joined Feb 15, 2006
927 points
Nov 2, 2012
Middle
Yo Momma'99 wrote:
No and no.


Please light your head on fire.
Ray Pinpillage
From West Egg
Joined Jul 23, 2010
130 points
Nov 2, 2012
Hanging out on Royal Arches
waltereo wrote:
The biwire carabiners could be interesting if you want a lightweight "locking carabiners"


The biwire sucks, it's huge and heavy as shit.
Tristan B
From La Crescenta, CA
Joined Oct 1, 2009
1,501 points
Nov 2, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "...
All Killer No Filler wrote:
Ellenor, no matter which name she's going by. I've got 99 problems and that bitch's spelling hasn't improved much.

Shhh... you'll wake it up.

Yo Momma'99 wrote:
Im going onto my other minions ....chao...u can never catch me ....nah I just sometimes have time on my hands. This is more entertaining than tv

Good god, now look what you did. You woke it up.

Time to get back to work.
youtube.com/watch?feature=ends...
Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Joined Jan 1, 2001
23,510 points
Nov 2, 2012
Lamb's Slide
waltereo wrote:
Who the hell is Ellenor ??

Scott McMahon wrote:
The queen of all trolls. Her accounts are consistently deactived, but she always morphs back under new avatars. Typically is known by bad grammar, run on sentences, ramblings and general incoherent mass posts that deconstruct most threads. It's not a good thing.


Ellanor, it's almost ice climbing season in Canada. just sayin...
Rocky_Mtn_High
From Arvada, CO
Joined Apr 14, 2010
195 points
Nov 2, 2012
C'mon Folks. Take the Ellanor stuff to General. Or, better yet, RC. Or even better than that, drop it. Aric Datesman
Joined Sep 16, 2008
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Scott McMahon wrote:
Dude..Dude..Dude...Dude... From the Colorado RMRG "20% of all climbing accidents could have been prevented by better belay practices such as tying a knot in the end of the rope, or wearing belay gloves". I'd say that's a pretty high percentage of avoidable accidents. I don't wear them all the time, but quite often I do. I've never needed a seatbelt either, but I try to wear it most of the time. Just because I've never needed it, doesn't make it a bad idea. Oh and you don't know the first thing about me dude... rockymountainrescue.org/Climbi...



Not sure what kind of belaying you are doin but that is frickin scary! The way every belay device I have used works is that it locks under load. I use a simple BD device, no guide, no fancy gri-gri, and I have caught dudes weighing around 180 taking 10-20 ft whippers on overhanging stuff, it just picks me up and sends me for a ride, never pulls through my device.

Belay gloves are for ppl who don't keep a hand on the brake.
Nov 2, 2012
Bocan
J Hazard wrote:
Not sure what kind of belaying you are doin but that is frickin scary! The way every belay device I have used works is that it locks under load. I use a simple BD device, no guide, no fancy gri-gri, and I have caught dudes weighing around 180 taking 10-20 ft whippers on overhanging stuff, it just picks me up and sends me for a ride, never pulls through my device. Belay gloves are for ppl who don't keep a hand on the brake.


Never said I've burned my hand. I only stated that I've read quite a few accounts of people badly burning their hands and made a decision to wear them as much as I remember to bring em. Kinda like my seatbelt example. I've never needed it, but I wear it anyways because sh*t happens.

I just mostly disagree with Ellenor saying they are the "most useless piece of gear", but I suppose that was my first mistake.
Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Joined Feb 15, 2006
927 points
Nov 2, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "...
Aric Datesman wrote:
C'mon Folks. Take the Ellanor stuff to General. Or, better yet, RC. Or even better than that, drop it.

I don't think you understand the issue or the history there. It's like an infection. Moving it elsewhere is not the idea. The only place for her is deleted, and that what is happening again.
Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Joined Jan 1, 2001
23,510 points
Nov 2, 2012
Me again!

Oh you retarded stinky hippy, back at it again I see.

On the one hand I really appreciate the way you get old men with old egos and wrinkly balls to flagellate themselves for your pleasure. After all, the only way to get mad at something is to take that thing seriously, and anyone taking you seriously is seriously fuck## in the head.

On the other hand, you are obviously retarded, and I wonder if it wouldn't be better for society if you had a little supervision. If you could keep your nonsense to a minimum that would be great. A few zingers of stupidity here and there to lively up the place. Try not having constant verbal diarrhea for once and see if you don't feel better. Who knows, you might make a friend or two if you can get rid of your stink.
J Q
Joined Mar 11, 2012
58 points
Nov 2, 2012
Middle
Aric Datesman wrote:
C'mon Folks. Take the Ellanor stuff to General. Or, better yet, RC. Or even better than that, drop it.


Feeling left out of another five page argument?
Ray Pinpillage
From West Egg
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130 points
Nov 2, 2012
The Cathedral Spires in RMNP, left to right: Stile...
This thread just got rad. Good werk people.

And Ellenor.
Marc H
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Nov 3, 2012
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From Golden, CO
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Nov 3, 2012
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This thread is a great place to get a list for my Xmas gift wishes.

Everything I've ever wanted is on here.
Locker
From Yucca Valley, CA
Joined Oct 13, 2002
2,381 points
Nov 3, 2012
Wall Street, Moab, UT
You know, it's funny how things like this can change... 20 years ago I didn't think I'd want any quickdraws, but I use them a lot now. Peter Stokes
From Them Thar Hills
Joined Apr 30, 2009
152 points
Nov 3, 2012
Gear
They see climbers coming from a mile away....

tinyurl.com/mostuseless
RockinOut
From NY, NY
Joined May 8, 2010
101 points
Nov 3, 2012
This is a novel auto blocking belay device.  I thi...
Ummm no. Approach shoes are far from useless.

RockinOut wrote:
They see climbers coming from a mile away.... tinyurl.com/mostuseless
Rick Blair
From Denver
Joined Oct 16, 2007
270 points


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