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By Andrew Gram
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From Salt Lake City, UT
Oct 28, 2011
Andrew Gram

I've been holding steady at around 195, which is 17 pounds down from where I started. I want to drop another 20, but I've found the discipline to be unmanageable while i've been moving in to my new house. I'm pretty settled in now and working hard to get ready for ski season so i think i'll be able to start making progress again.

I'm happy that i've been able to maintain my lower weight while eating reasonably well and working out consistently but not really intensely. It definitely has shown me that actually losing weight takes a real commitment to hard working out and really watching what you eat - it just doesn't happen unless it is your #1 priority. Time to get back to work.


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By Glenn Schuler
From Monument, Co.
Oct 28, 2011
A grey fox skull wedged in a crack 100' up on a FA I was working on - don't see that every day...

Mike Lane wrote:
just dropped 40 or so w/ a juice fast.


40 Lbs. ? Damn, that's lot. What is this juice fast you speak of?


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By thecornyman
From Oakland, CA
Oct 28, 2011
me on illusion dweller

Pizmoe wrote:
I like Mayonnaise and my SUV

I'm picturing a fatty climber sitting in an SUV guzzling mayo while his friends are 10 feet away racking up next to a wall.


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By thecornyman
From Oakland, CA
Oct 28, 2011
me on illusion dweller

Glenn Schuler wrote:
40 Lbs. ? Damn, that's lot. What is this juice fast you speak of?

I did this cleanse:

www.slimming.com/blessed-herbs-with-peppermint-leaf.html

I did the full week of only using the detox packets and apple juice and it really changed my outlook on food. To be honest when I was done I was so into every food around I don't think I really lost too much weight but but my idea of portions changed.

Before you begin the fasting portion you do a day of 3/4 meals then a day of 1/2 meals and then a day of 1/4 meals. I was blown away when I was doing the 1/2 meals for a day and was completely satisfied. Turns out I over eat just about every meal if I am given the opportunity.


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By Kevin McLaughlin
From Colorado Springs
Oct 28, 2011
Thunder Ridge- Storm, 5.12, Wasp Canyon

A public and sincere apology to The Schu . I had no idea the man's resolve was so rock solid . I have no excuse. As a side note - The Schu has been on a bit of a tear throughout all of this season. He still gets around pretty damn well for an old guy. ( I choose to quit while I am ahead -before I once again have to make another public statement begging his forgiveness) You are indeed still my hero G-man .


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By Old and Busted
From Centennial, CO
Oct 28, 2011
Stabby

Glenn Schuler wrote:
40 Lbs. ? Damn, that's lot. What is this juice fast you speak of?

Glenn - do you know Zed? I don't want to get too deep into his privacy here.


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By Darren Mabe
From Flagstaff, AZ
Feb 8, 2012
wham bam hand jam. Wrapping up the final moves of Twist of Fate, Oak Creek Canyon. <br /> <br />photo: Blake McCord

How we all doin? I made my goal of 185 but now I want to hit 180 and drop from 12% to 7% body fat.


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By Old and Busted
From Centennial, CO
Feb 8, 2012
Stabby

Shot up to 210 over the holidays, back down to 204 last reading but a long ways off from 185; which I haven't seen since I got married 18 years ago.


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By Lee Smith
Feb 8, 2012
You can love your rope but you can't "LOVE" your rope! <br />(Back by Popular Demand.  There you are Mom) <br /> <br />

Darren Mabe wrote:
How we all doin? I made my goal of 185 but now I want to hit 180 and drop from 12% to 7% body fat.


Dude, you could do that instantly by cutting your hair! (smiley face)


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By Lee Smith
Feb 8, 2012
You can love your rope but you can't "LOVE" your rope! <br />(Back by Popular Demand.  There you are Mom) <br /> <br />

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Says the dude who has none.


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By Locker
From Yucca Valley, CA
Feb 8, 2012
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"40 Lbs. ? Damn, that's lot. What is this juice fast you speak of?"


One drop of lemon juice per week...


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By Tombo
From Boulder
Feb 8, 2012
1/3 of the way up Spire, just above where my piece blew.

I tried the juice fast once. Brutal!!!!


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By Tevis Blom
Feb 8, 2012

Well I guess at 34 and 205 I am middle aged already??!!
Well at least that isn't much of a weight change from when I was in better shape.

Whatever, I'm going fishing... Cold water feels so good on the sore feet.


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By Andrew Gram
Administrator
From Salt Lake City, UT
Sep 7, 2012
Andrew Gram

How are we doing now at the end of summer?

I'm down to 187 from my fatpoint of 213. Still gradually working towards 170.


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By APBT1976
Sep 7, 2012
Black Dike 12/25/11

Bunch O fatties quit your crying and just stop putting your dam mitts to the mouth!!


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By Glenn Schuler
From Monument, Co.
Sep 7, 2012
A grey fox skull wedged in a crack 100' up on a FA I was working on - don't see that every day...

APBT1976 wrote:
Bunch O fatties quit your crying and just stop putting your dam mitts to the mouth!!


When I was in my mid 30's I could say the same thing. Seemed easy enough. Some tough talk there from a 10a sport leader. Some of us fat boys like warming up on 10a's.


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By SexPanther aka Kiedis
Sep 7, 2012
Thumbtastic

There are some interesting schools of thought going on here. I like the lack of mud-slinging. Where's DAve Sahalie lurking?

Watched Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead on Netflix recently and have been thinking about how far from my raw food, constant exercise diet I've strayed. Don't get me wrong, I'm still climbing well, I just know what it's like to feel like your body's operating at maximum capacity and I ain't near that by a mile.

Nothing like pure hard work to remind you where you went wrong, my chubby brethren. Get in that gym and pound the stairmaster like it's your one chance with Eva Mendes, see how your perspective changes after a few days of that action.


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By SexPanther aka Kiedis
Sep 7, 2012
Thumbtastic

Anyone got anything positive to report about cleanses, juice fasts, etc? I've fasted for 12 days on nothing but distilled water so you aren't going to freak me out, lay your success stories on me.

PS lost almost no weight doing 12 days without food, for those wondering. Weighed 140-ish at 5'10", nothing there to lose back then. Shit got weird, played the sitar (really), hung out and did a lot of meditation and long walks. Best vacation I've ever had. Total rest/rejuvination immersion, all for zero cost. Ya gotta build up to that kinda action though...


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By Glenn Schuler
From Monument, Co.
Sep 7, 2012
A grey fox skull wedged in a crack 100' up on a FA I was working on - don't see that every day...

All Killer No Filler wrote:
I've fasted for 12 days on nothing but distilled water so you aren't going to freak me out, lay your success stories on me.


You didn't eat solid food for 12 days??? Holy shit, that is whack, I can't even comprehend. I have no success story for you. Other than I'm not dead yet.


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By APBT1976
Sep 8, 2012
Black Dike 12/25/11

Glenn Schuler wrote:
When I was in my mid 30's I could say the same thing. Seemed easy enough. Some tough talk there from a 10a sport leader. Some of us fat boys like warming up on 10a's.


Just started climbing rock this spring. For what it's worth my grade is on 3-4 months of climbing max total in my life. I agree 10A is no major accomplishment. On the other hand i also do not overate my grade like many just because from time to time i can get a 10D or 11A clean. So blah blah blah. Kidding for real i was just screwing around.

None the less i was mostly being a wise ass. Well other than being fat pregidous. I cant lie i have zero tolerance for fatties.


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By APBT1976
Sep 8, 2012
Black Dike 12/25/11

All Killer No Filler wrote:
Anyone got anything positive to report about cleanses, juice fasts, etc? I've fasted for 12 days on nothing but distilled water so you aren't going to freak me out, lay your success stories on me. PS lost almost no weight doing 12 days without food, for those wondering. Weighed 140-ish at 5'10", nothing there to lose back then. Shit got weird, played the sitar (really), hung out and did a lot of meditation and long walks. Best vacation I've ever had. Total rest/rejuvination immersion, all for zero cost. Ya gotta build up to that kinda action though...


Also do the Blessed Herbs fast a couple times a year. 2-3 days of cutting food portions till you switch to just apple juice some powdered stuff mostly pyslium husk and bentonite clay for another 7 days.

About 2 days in with no food and i literally start to loose my fucking mind. The next five days are serious exercise in mood control.

I will mirror what the person above reported above on "food portions". I found i was waaaaaay waaaay over eating. Yes i get the shrinking your stomach thing but we can also really stretch it out "as most of us do"! I am far from a fatty at 5"10 135-150lbs depending but even i was amazed at how much we allow our self to overeat. Being a former pro cyclist i also am fairly well versed in portion control eating for performance and not recreation and still did not realize just how little food the body requires to function properly. Imop what Americans call anorexic i call healthy just remove the emotional mental end of the deal.


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By Tevis Blom
Sep 8, 2012

Climbs 3-4 months, leads 10a sport, 8 trad and is talking trash about big guys who warm up on harder. I bet you have some nice shiny carabiners. I bet you shiver your way up 5.8 leads.
I bet if any of us sat on you, you would be crushed like a little man-boy.

ps 'former pro-cyclist', we basically hate you skinny bastards on principle. at 5'10" 150 you have nothing to offer to a 'large climber' discussion. Go starve yourself and be angry.


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By OldManRiver
From Cottonwood Heights, UT
Sep 8, 2012
Red Rock, Cannibal crag

Resetting your health and habits is a full on project.. so treat it like one!

Initiation: Get fat.. check = June 2011, 215lbs GET PISSED
Plan: Set a target and plan training
Execute: Spend 12 months hiking ~300 miles in the mountains and climbing. Find food that's tasty and allow you to reach your goal. Reprogram your palette if you're a fast food degen!
Communicate: Branch out if need be to find more climbing partners, etc.
Close: Summit mtn, climbing above goal grades :) .. September 2012, 190lbs (still 5-10lbs away from snapping mirror pics and putting them on myspace)

Now that I spent a year training, accomplished my goal (Rainier & climbing 5.Goal) the momentum is tough to stop.. just like it was 15 months ago when I was a chubber calling Dominos. Only now it's in a healthy direction. Shit, I even got the motivation (and luckily a job opening) to move to a more outdoor friendly city.

Lessons learned:

1- Hiking is an absolute weight shedder. It's extremely hard not to lose weight if you backpack regularly. I've had to deal with some plantar & knee issues from the vert, but trail runners with good support and hiking poles take a lot of the strain off your legs.

2 - Gym climbing.. knock it if you like but you can build up endurance and strength conveniently during the week and compliment hiking or whatever weekend exercise you can manage outside.

3 - Figure out a way to look forward to workouts. For me it's remembering how incredibly awful winter swim training was when younger. Hiking and snapping pics of mtns is cake compared to a 3.5hr continuous swim. Appreciate the opportunity to exercise in the way you enjoy most rather than think of it as a requirement to lose weight.

..and that's about all the Tony Robbins I can muster this morning


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By APBT1976
Sep 8, 2012
Black Dike 12/25/11

Tevis Blom wrote:
Climbs 3-4 months, leads 10a sport, 8 trad and is talking trash about big guys who warm up on harder. I bet you have some nice shiny carabiners. I bet you shiver your way up 5.8 leads. I bet if any of us sat on you, you would be crushed like a little man-boy. ps 'former pro-cyclist', we basically hate you skinny bastards on principle. at 5'10" 150 you have nothing to offer to a 'large climber' discussion. Go starve yourself and be angry.


This is not a thread about who is a harder climber is it? I didn't think so. I said i have been climbing rock for 3-4 months. I have been climbing for 3-4 years rock is just one sub sect of climbing.

I do have something to offer this thread as i know a thing or two about nutrition and not being a fat fuck!

Self control = portion control end of story. Self control and portion control = not having to be a fatty! Don't even have to exercise or eat healthy to be skinny but both sure help a shit ton!

You don't wanna be fat you gotta change your relationship with food. Food can not be about enjoying and or a reward or something you look forward to. Food must be purely a functional means to a end. Sounds miserable right. It is till it becomes a habit then the prior just feel nasty!!


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By Mark E Dixon
From Sprezzatura, Someday
Sep 8, 2012
Sure, I can belay

APBT1976 wrote:
I do have something to offer this thread as i know a thing or two about nutrition and not being a fat fuck! Self control = portion control end of story. Self control and portion control = not having to be a fatty! Don't even have to exercise or eat healthy to be skinny but both sure help a shit ton! You don't wanna be fat you gotta change your relationship with food. Food can not be about enjoying and or a reward or something you look forward to. Food must be purely a functional means to a end. Sounds miserable right. It is till it becomes a habit then the prior just feel nasty!!



Maybe I just missed your positive contributions.

Seems like you have a found a way to keep your body weight down, but I'm not sure it really 'works' for you if you feel the need to post contemptuous comments about others. Certainly doesn't show a lot of insight into human nature or the genuine difficulty of losing weight AND keeping it off.

Taking in fewer calories and maybe exercising more is the recipe for anyone who wants to lose weight. But how to make that work is intensely individual. Pure self-control is ineffective for most, both short and long term. I had some luck carefully observing when and what I ate and minimizing 'social' and 'stress' eating. Other folks have other issues that they are best in position to discover.

Maybe you're actually a PhD nutritionist, up on the latest studies, in which case I'd love to hear more. But my impression is that you have a narrow background in cycling and haven't recognized that there's more to the story. Actually, even in the latter case, I'd still appreciate hearing your insights, as long as you can drop the gratuitous insults.


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