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Mammut Trion Pro Pack?

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AlpineIce · · Upstate, NY · Joined Mar 2011 · Points: 255

I currently have a CiloGear 30:30 WorkSack, but I'm not in love with it. I guess I pulled the trigger on an ultralight pack when I really need a climbing pack with a little more support for long, 3+ mile approaches. The CiloGear is a great climbing pack, but obviously doesn't have an internal frame for load support / distribution.

I also have the Gregory Alpinisto 35, but I hate the fact I can't remove the lid and the tool attachment for Nomics blows. It's hard enough to attach them in my basement, let alone when my hands are numb from cold, shitty weather.

Does anyone have any experience with the Mammut Trion Pro pack? I'm looking at the 35+7 model. If so, does the pack carry weight well? Do the features/materials work well for you? My main purposes for the pack will be ice and alpine climbing.

I'm also looking at the Lowe Alpine Alpine Attack 45:55, Lowe Alpine Mountain Attack 45:55 and the Black Diamond Epic 45. Does anyone have any real-world experience with either of these climbing packs? Most of these packs fall in the 3lb + category, so obviously I'm not looking to stay ultralight.

I'm trying to stay away from Cold Cold World or CiloGear just because you can't really send them back if they don't work out and their lack of dedicated weight support. Any help would be great, thanks!

Sunny-D · · SLC, Utah · Joined Aug 2006 · Points: 700

I have used and abused most of the packs that you have mentioned that you are looking at. I would say that my favorite is the Redheaded step child of the group- the Lowe Alpine Attack 45:55. I keep coming back to this pack. it is simple but for me has every thing that a climbing pack needs. The tool attachment is awesome. I can get two sets of tools on it without a problem. It is light enough but carries heavy loads without a problem. The hip belt does not come off but tucks away nicely. It is big enough to fit everything inside but will shrink down for climbing after you get there. I really like how simple this pack is and how well it carries.
Dallen

AlpineIce · · Upstate, NY · Joined Mar 2011 · Points: 255

Sunny-D, How does the Lowe Alpine carry weight? Some-what comfortable for a climbing pack? I'm also looking at the Mountain Attack series. I like the idea of having a dedicated ski slots and a secondary side opening. Thoughts?

iceman777 · · Colorado Springs · Joined Oct 2007 · Points: 60

+1 what sunny-d said .

I believe the questions your asking are kind of subjective , it will depend on what YOU consider comfortable and really the only way to determine this is to go to a shop that carries the specific pack
Hopefully they have sandbags or some kind if weight to load it up with and a knowledgable staff that can adjust the pack to your frame then you wear the thing around for a bit and see for yourself .bring in the gear you intend to strap to the thing and check out how everything fits . Only surefire way I know .

I too used to have a shit ton of packs , arcteryx , black diamond, Clio gear, cold world , Mammut , osprey , Lowe , ect . Every single one of them had something I didn't like ! Every single one!

Finding the perfect climbing pack is akin to locating a smoking hot 20 something virgin who loves sex 24-7 or the holy grail . Sadly pack manufactures cater to sponsored climbers or what they think we need . Or the next cool widget / color . I wish they would actually load up there packs as intended and take them out on a real trip for a day instead of relying on paid testers or Heres an idea actually listen to the real people who use and rely on there packs every day . Then they would actually see why there packs suck and could fix em right . But then again if they did that we would have a pack that lasted years , did everything asked of it , and they wouldn't get to sell us yet another piece is closet trash next year.

The best advice I can give is avoid any ice or alpine pack that does not use fastex buckles and pick pouches for tool attachment . The worst attachment I've found so far is the bungie cord style with the arcteryx dongle a close second . Try threading that dongle with frozen hands , you'll be looking for the twit that invented it so you can make them eat it .

Bill Kirby · · Keene New York · Joined Jul 2012 · Points: 480

Christopher, tryout the BD Mission 50. I've found the pack carries a heavy load well and you can remove the lid. Tools and crampons are easy to put away too. Ive only used the pack about 10-15 days so I can't talk about quality. So far so good though.

Beean · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 0

I've recently gotten a trion element 45, I'm not sure how similar it is to the pro but you'd assume the suspension is the same.

I found it very comfortable when I loaded it up for a trial hike and climb, without the hipbelt. Much better than the black diamond speed series anyway. I think it's a fantastic pack.

I agree with Dave, do you need a 40L pack for overnight climb trips? Definitely not, but I think 40L+ extension is ideal for 4-7 day ski touring or climbing trips, e.g. a week in the Bugs. It's also the ideal size for cragging, when you can just dump everything in without taking care to pack it properly.

Sunny-D · · SLC, Utah · Joined Aug 2006 · Points: 700

Like I said the the Lowe Alpine series of packs seem to not get a lot of attention here in the States. I have a Alpine Attack 35:45 and a 45:55 I use both more then any other packs that I have. Based on the day. If I am taking other people out I use the 45 with one to two ropes, crampons screws, a light alpine rack, extra gloves, food, extra clothes, a belay jacket, harness, runners, first aid, etc. all on the inside. It has a rope strap/crampon strap under the lid. The lid and frame are removable. The hip belt tucks away. It carries loads well and does not weigh that much right around two pounds. I got my wife the mountain attack 34:45 it is a bit more cushy then the alpine attack, with a few extra features- she really likes it and says it is super comfortable. I'll admit my two fetishes when it comes to climbing is good gloves and packs that work exactly the way I want them too. Thus I go through a few of both trying to find the perfect glove or pack. I think I have nailed the gloves and the Lowe Alpine Alpine attack Series are pretty dam close to perfect for me.
Dallen

AlpineIce · · Upstate, NY · Joined Mar 2011 · Points: 255

Where I live, it's tough to try on a specific pack. I live three hours from the closest climbing shop and even they don't have the best selection for climbing specific packs. I wish I had an REI or Backcountry close by, but I don't.

I understand what you mean by the tool attachments. The "dongle" on the Gregory Alpinisto fucking sucks, especially with cold hands. Next near impossible to thread that through Nomics.

I don't feel like I haul a ton of shit around, but a rack of screws, rope extra gloves, food, water and belay jacket seem to take up a lot of room. Maybe it's just me ... Thanks fellas. I'll let you know what I go with and what I liked about it. Maybe someone else can learn from my dilemmas.

IceMan : I think you nailed it, dude. I wish pack companies would take a second to listen to us weekend warriors for once. There's people out there that don't need/want what Steve House needs or Ueli Steck.

Imagine if there was a pack company out there that would allow us "normal" climbers to design their own? I know of McHale, but I don't need a second mortgage. I think Wild Things is going to dabble in pack customization soon, but it's probably not going to be as cool as I'm hoping.

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