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By Bob M
From Alpharetta, GA
Apr 2, 2013
T Wall
Thanks, Ben! These things make me forget about the dehydration, cramped muscles, and vomiting... Almost

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By Br'er Rabbit
From The Briar Patch
Apr 2, 2013
'Bred en bawn in a brier-patch, Brer Fox--bred en bawn in a brier-patch!'
Bob M wrote:
Thanks, Ben! These things make me forget about the dehydration, cramped muscles, and vomiting... Almost


You can have the last of my Gatorade any time!

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By Sean Cobourn
From Gramling, SC
Apr 2, 2013
Caught Up In The Air- photo by Thomas Kelley
thanks Ben !!

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By boo
Apr 2, 2013
Thank you Ben. Especially for the last one......

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By Rhett Burroughs
From Valdosta, GA
Apr 2, 2013
Yup
One time, during a trip to Laurel Knob, my partner had food poisoning. He shat himself and vomitted all day Saturday after Mexican in CLayton on Friday. He shall remain nameless, but might or might not be a little man from ALabama. After returning home, I contracted the poisoning and threw up on the ER floor while they shot me full of potassium and gave me IVs. Apparently, I was sick AND didn't drink enough water. I blame the hike.

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By rock_fencer
From Columbia, SC
Apr 2, 2013
Myself placing a a blue/yellow offset MC to protect between Bolt 2/3 just post crux . <br /> <br />Picture credit goes to eric Singleton, and many thanks to Josh Bagget for the great belay.
The hike is barely that long or hard. Takes like 45 minutes to an hour

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By Rhett Burroughs
From Valdosta, GA
Apr 2, 2013
Yup
rock_fencer wrote:
The hike is barely that long or hard. Takes like 45 minutes to an hour


It is if you are from Valdosta. Especially the hike out, but I'm glad we can go that way, at least. LK is awesoem!!

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By Greg Berry
Apr 7, 2013
How can you retro-bolt an undocumented route established while trespassing?

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By eisenbrj
From Sumter, SC
Apr 12, 2013
On top of Mount Whitney
anyone have a bigger version of the route photo?
Small Laurel Routes
Small Laurel Routes

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By Br'er Rabbit
From The Briar Patch
Apr 12, 2013
'Bred en bawn in a brier-patch, Brer Fox--bred en bawn in a brier-patch!'
Click this link: CCC LK Mini Guide
Ignore the route descriptions.
MtnProject is the best source of info, at present. the newer NC guidebook has info on the classics.

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By RyanD
From Whitby, Ontario
Apr 21, 2013
Can anyone direct me towards a good LK approach guide for someone who does not know the area? I am from ontario and every approach beta I can find seems to be aimed for someone who knows every hill, valley and creek in the area. I'm on Google Earth trying to find my way through the directions and can't seem to put anything together. One piece of directions suggested a cul-de-sac at the end of Breedlove Rd, which doesn't end or have a cul-de-sac on it. Any help would be great as we are heading down on Wednesday.

Thanks!

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By Brannen
From Flowery Branch, GA
Apr 21, 2013
Breedlove basically just ends and there will me a dirt road that continues for a little ways and then you'll come to the panther town parking lot. There will be a metal bar blocking the road, and you walk past that to start the hike.

Good luck.

Also on the hike play very close attention for the little wooden sign that points to a faint trail leading up a hill.

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By RyanD
From Whitby, Ontario
Apr 22, 2013
Thanks so much! I think I found the trail. Another question I have is where is the closest camping. We don't need much for camping we just want a place where camping is allowed.

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By Jonathan Dull
From Boone, NC
Apr 22, 2013
Edge of a Dream
You will have to camp at or around the Panthertown trailhead.

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By csproul
From Rancho Cordova, CA
Apr 22, 2013
Summit of Wolf's Head with Pingora in the background
RyanD wrote:
Thanks so much! I think I found the trail. Another question I have is where is the closest camping. We don't need much for camping we just want a place where camping is allowed.

You can camp at the trailhead, where the road ends at the gate.

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By Rhett Burroughs
From Valdosta, GA
Apr 23, 2013
Yup
RyanD wrote:
Thanks so much! I think I found the trail. Another question I have is where is the closest camping. We don't need much for camping we just want a place where camping is allowed.


The camping at the gate on Breedlove is very nice. Be sure not to block anyone in and don;t park in front of the gate, blocking access by the USFS. If the parking is crowded, back down the road a ways to several other clearings just a few yards from the main trailhead. Don;t park in front of the trail sign. Bring your own firewood, if necessary. The car camping area stays picked over. There are several tent sites in the woods in different directions from the trailhead. There are groceries 10 minutes away in cAshiers and several eating options nearby.

Beware of black bears. Not prolific, but you should take the typical precautions when camping. Clean up after yourself, pack food away. There are also other animals that will get your stuff. Mice, possums, chipmunks, raccoons, pheasants.

IF you are up there on a nice weekend, chances are you'll run into some of the regulars. Be freindly and you might even get fed.

Hiking in should take no more than 1 hour 15 min. Hike downhill, out of the trailhead for several hundred yards on Breedlove, to a trail on the right. This trail will take you downhill parallel to a stream and waterfall system. Several vantage points on the right. YOu wile eventually encounter slabs over which you should trend down and slightly to the skiers left. The trail will then tighten down as it levels out in a bottom of sorts. Continue to parallel the stream in a more jungle-style environment until an obvious crossing takes you to the other side. From here, you will meander up, out of the rhodo covered bottom and onto a roadbed upon which you head to the right. After a while, the roadbed will narrow and rise until you pass a heavier road heading up and left and come to the clearing where the neighborhood culdesacs start. This is about where the sign pointing to LK is. HEad up and right, then contouring to the left following the trail over a huge down tree, then along the contour of the hill, over some water seepages/streams, and onto a slabby section. Over this, then back into pines on a more defined trail which will follow the edge of the Lonesome Valley property. You'll see some nice cabins to your left. Eventually, you'll encounter the CCC trail sign. Read the notes, stash some water and a snack for the hike out. Following the trail in from here, you'll start to descend to the rightmost side of LK after a few hundred yards. THe trail is in great condition right now and after 500' vert of switchbacks, you're at the base of Manatee FLuid's slab. There's some flaggage about halfway in that marks the start to the Girdle traverse and several moderates on that end. You can get all the way across to the left side, base of Groover in another thirty minutes if you hustle. There are a couple tricky sections of trail, but it can be worked out.

Be safe. Headlamps, rain jacket, skills, all that. My essential LK kit includes a fresh headlamp, Gor tex, extra layer, comfy slab shoes, a small backpack, water bottle clipped to harness, double 70s, tricams to blue, offset Mastercams, and plenty of slings. Bring the number 4 and just a few stoppers. Lots of finger to medium cams. A small wrench to tighten loose hangers is nice. Oh. And lots of chalk.

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By RyanD
From Whitby, Ontario
Apr 23, 2013
Awesome! Thanks so much for all that info Rhett! Your LK kit sounds pretty close to what we have only we have double 60's. Hopefully we'll be ok.

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By Jonathan Dull
From Boone, NC
May 21, 2013
Edge of a Dream
Anyone have any idea what the uppers pitches are looking like (or can comment based on previous experience)? I know the western part of the state has been getting sun and showers all week, however, the weekend looks great. I've done Fathom before and the grooves on the upper pitches were running with water after pretty sunny weather. I want to hop on Seconds and give it ago. I know that you can rap from any pitch on the route (please correct me if I'm wrong) so retreat wouldn't be too bad. Long story short; is it worth the drive from Boone to the Cashiers Valley to try Seconds, or would the entire climb be wet?

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By Br'er Rabbit
From The Briar Patch
May 21, 2013
'Bred en bawn in a brier-patch, Brer Fox--bred en bawn in a brier-patch!'
You might luck out Jonathon, but I doubt it following the rainy weather. As has been said before, LK seems to trickle not only based on rain patterns, but also based on the overall water table....which I imagine is pretty high given all the rain this year. Seconds will trickle for a long time, especially up high.

That said, give it a shot. If Seconds is wet, try one of the routes between grooves....lots of face and slab type terrain that dries quickly. Check the routes immediately to the left (Central Pillar, High and Dry, Squirrely Man) and the right (Night of the Climbing Dead).

Also, Dillard Canyon's left side (looking uphill) dries quickly as well.

Maybe someone can chime in on current conditions.

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By Rhett Burroughs
From Valdosta, GA
Jun 1, 2013
Yup
They need to rename it from the Lonesome Valley, to the Pissy Valley, because its always pissing with rain!

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By Ryan Williams
Administrator
From London (sort of)
Jun 1, 2013
El Chorro
I thought it was called Pantertown Valley?

It's certainly not lonesome, what with the construction of the mansions and all.

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By shannon stegg
Jun 2, 2013
Hey Ben, Sorry you got shut out at Tallulah on Memorial weekend. I think that is the first time I ever heard the Park Service maxing out on the climbing permits! Should of called me, could of hooked you up with climbing at the "Dungeon", eight stellar routes from easy ten to easy twelve. We ended up climbing at the "Overlook Wall" after a short light rain.

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By Br'er Rabbit
From The Briar Patch
Jun 3, 2013
'Bred en bawn in a brier-patch, Brer Fox--bred en bawn in a brier-patch!'
We should have just stopped at the SW Corner, but decided to chance Tallulah. The Ranger said they sold out immediately. There must have been a line for the gorge what with the perfect weather. It was, indeed, dry at Tallulah while raining near Cashiers/Sapphire.

How is access to the Dungeon?

Regarding Seconds, it was wet as of Saturday morning, but dry in the afternoon. We started the day on Oasis, then finished with a few pitches of Seconds.

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By shannon stegg
Jun 4, 2013
Hey Rhett, access is a short walk to the top, then a full rope length rappel puts you at the bottom of the wall. I think the park only lets so many people into the Gorge. wheather hikers or climbers, I serious doubt that the Park gave out all their climbing permits, unless the Atlanta Climbing Club showed up in force.

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By DanP
From Georgia
Jun 4, 2013
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Tallulah reached their climber limit? There aren't enough bolts there for the Atlanta Climbing Club.

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