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By jim.dangle
Feb 17, 2013

Lots of talk about resoling on these boards lately. Is it worth it?

I always end up paying for rand repair so it ends up costing 40 plus with shipping and everything. Even with a good resole the shoes rarely climb the same and the non rubber parts of the shoes can start breaking down with age and then there inevitable stretch and sloppiness. Sometimes I wonder whether or not it is best to just buy new, cheap shoes more often.

Not exactly a green approach though.

Thoughts?

Jim


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By FrankPS
From Atascadero, CA
Feb 17, 2013

If climbing in cheap shoes works for you, that's fine. When I get a pair of shoes I like (not cheap), I want to keep using them. Once I get them resoled, they're a little tighter for a while, but then they stretch back to their old feel. And resoling is way cheaper than buying another pair of climbing shoes, for me.


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By Superclimber
Feb 17, 2013

To me it's worth it. I just threw out my first pair of TC Pros after about 3 years, many resoles, and some Shoe Goo. They were pretty stretched out by the time I threw them away, but I don't climb any better in my new ones.


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By matt davies
Feb 17, 2013

Yes, yes it is. You have to be a little diligent about getting them fixed before you get into the rand, but if you have the number for Rock and Resole, they do an incredible job. Supposedly some guy named Locker on here does a pretty good job as well. Positive Resoles is the name of his outfit. If you like expensive shoes, which I do, resoling is the way to go.


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By CritConrad
From Bend, OR
Feb 17, 2013

absolutely! even if you bust through the rand a little bit it's worth it. I got two pairs at the same time resoled and it was around $100 all said and done. I was kinda bummed that it was so much then just today i realized how many pitches i've done in just the first pair. Pair #2 is still sittin in the closet...waiting to send!


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By Daniel S Parker
From Sandy Utah
Feb 17, 2013
Second ascent.

I've now spent a month without my shoes, which is okay but the guys at cascade arent returning my emails or calls, IF i get my shoes back they better be flawless, otherwise i think i'll save myself the frustration, and just suck it up and buy new.


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By FrankPS
From Atascadero, CA
Feb 17, 2013

Daniel S Parker wrote:
I've now spent a month without my shoes, which is okay but the guys at cascade arent returning my emails or calls, IF i get my shoes back they better be flawless, otherwise i think i'll save myself the frustration, and just suck it up and buy new.


Daniel, which shoe repair is that? "Cascade"?


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By Daniel S Parker
From Sandy Utah
Feb 17, 2013
Second ascent.

Cascade Cobbler www.cascadecobbler.com


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By jim.dangle
Feb 17, 2013

Do people find that resoled shoes climb the same? Maybe its in my head.

Jim


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By bearbreeder
Feb 18, 2013

i find the shoes stretch 1/2 a size ... on the other hand the resoles last longer than new sportivas

i size my shoes initially for sport, and after the first resole they become trad shoes ...

i dont bother resoling them more than once, as i find they get funky and too soft by the second resole

is it worth it? .... for a $$$$ shoe like the miura, yes ... for anything that costs ~100 smackaroos, no IMO

but then resoles up here costs 60$+


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By Chris Plesko
From Westminster, CO
Feb 18, 2013
OMG, I winz!!!

I love my resoles and usually resole a few times at least. Then again I just drop them off and pick them up so it's cheap and easy compared to new shoes.


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By frankstoneline
Feb 18, 2013

jim.dangle wrote:
Do people find that resoled shoes climb the same? Maybe its in my head. Jim


Depends on the shoe/rubber you prefer/any number of other variables. I've found for really downturned shoe's it's rare that a resoled pair climbs exactly like a new pair. This isnt always a bad thing, I wasnt totally sold on the solutions until i got mine resoled with stealth, now I love them, I think those shoes climb better after being smashed out and then resoled with stealth.

In response to the original question, I think it's almost always worth it to resole shoes. There is no reason to keep shoes you dont love (with the availability of trading/selling used/getting deals) and thus no reason to not resole, at least not at the level I'm climbing.


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By climber pat
From Las Cruces, NM
Feb 18, 2013

I have wondered if resoling was worth it for a long time and tried to have a pair of TC pros resoled last year. I decided to try yosimitebum for the resole and they really did a poor job. The reshaped the shoes into a down turned shoe which compressed my toe nails and made the shoes unwearable and replaced the rands which really did not need to be replaced.

So now what? I am already into the process for $45 for the resole $10 for their shipping cost and another $10 for my shipping costs. That is $65 for a pair of unusable shoes. Should I pay another $10 to ship them back and get them to fix their work? Do I have confidence they can fix their work? Do I have confidence that any vendor is not going to do a poor job? I decided to cut my looses, learn my lesson and bought new.

There is no way resoling makes sense for cheap shoes. Perhaps if I lived near a resoler and did not have to pay shipping and could check the work before paying?


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By Ben Dubs
Feb 18, 2013
Elephant man

Order some Flat Rate PADDED Envelops from USPS (it's free to order them). I use size 11/12 shoes and they fit inside perfectly but only costs ~$5.70 to ship whatever fits. That should at least save you a couple bucks!


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By Locker
From Yucca Valley, CA
Feb 18, 2013
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"Thoughts?"


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By reboot
From Westminster, CO
Feb 18, 2013

climber pat wrote:
I have wondered if resoling was worth it for a long time and tried to have a pair of TC pros resoled last year. I decided to try yosimitebum for the resole and they really did a poor job.?

There's your problem, sending Sportiva shoes to Evolv. They don't seem to have the molds to fit other brand's shoes. I tried them once and won't ever send Sportiva/Scarpa shoes to them again.

I'd say if you ever have any doubts about Sportiva resole (espeically new models), send them to Rock & Resole. Not that others can't do a good job, but R&R would have the most experience of them all (helps having Sportiva NA a few blocks away and Boulder having the highest concentration of Sportiva sponsored climbers in the US).


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By CJC
Feb 18, 2013

weak sauce abusing bc like that.


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By superkick
From West Hartford, CT
Feb 18, 2013
Free Solo up hitchcock gully WI3

hows it abuse. Clearly one cannot be satisfied with a product that no longer functions.


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By Steve Williams
From Denver, CO
Feb 18, 2013

WWW.POSITIVERESOLES.COM

AWESOME JOB!!!!


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By Ian Stewart
Feb 18, 2013

My first pair of Miuras are on their 3rd resole and my second pair is now on their 1st resole. They'll probably need another resole in another couple months, and I won't hesitate. Worst-case scenario a resole is about $50 (though about half that if you don't need the rand) while MSRP on Miuras is $160 right now. It's a pretty significant savings.

As for performance, I guess I've never really done a new vs resoled comparison, but I've never gotten them back and thought "wow, these aren't very good". I get them done through Rock and Resole in Boulder and they come back fitting basically the same as when I sent them. They also glue up any delamination that La Sportiva shoes have problems with from the factory.

If the cheap shoes work for you then go ahead, but I'd much rather find a pair of shoes that I LOVE and resole them until they fall apart.


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By danny m
From All over
Feb 18, 2013
Ancient Art, UT

Hell yes its worth it!!!

I currently use Sportiva Testarossa's which for some reason have jumped WAY! up in price in the last year; last I saw they retail at $175 a pair.

I get my shoes done at Rock and Resole usually send in about 6 pairs at a time. I think last time I did this it cost me around $120 including shipping back. Thats only $20 per pair. Rock and Resole does an amazing job, they get the downturn/cup thingy perfect, they are just like factory new ones.

You do the math $175 per pair or $20 per pair. When you go through shoes every 3 months it starts to add up really quick.


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By jim.dangle
Feb 18, 2013

I'm realize I am really in the minority here but . . .

Some of the numbers being thrown around are a little skewed. What climber pays MSRP!? And when I say cheap shoes I mean shoes bought on the cheap not crappy shoes. With a little looking I just bought a pair of verde's new for 80 bucks. A good deal certainly but one you can find if you keep your eye out.

If you can get a good shoe for 80 bucks, is it worth it to get it resoled for 40+? I think it really depends on the shoe and what you plan to do with it.

JIm


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By camhead
From Vandalia, Appalachia
Feb 18, 2013
You stay away from mah pig!

If your shoes take a month or more to really break in and get comfortable with, then hell yeah they're worth it to resole.


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By frankstoneline
Feb 18, 2013

jim.dangle wrote:
I'm realize I am really in the minority here but . . . Some of the numbers being thrown around are a little skewed. What climber pays MSRP!? And when I say cheap shoes I mean shoes bought on the cheap not crappy shoes. With a little looking I just bought a pair of verde's new for 80 bucks. A good deal certainly but one you can find if you keep your eye out. If you can get a good shoe for 80 bucks, is it worth it to get it resoled for 40+? I think it really depends on the shoe and what you plan to do with it. JIm


As you say in your OP, not exactly a green approach. Also, when I really think about it I'm not sure I've ever thought "oh man, I would've sent if only I had fresh kicks, not these resoled jobs!"

As an aside: what size shoe do you wear? I'll gladly pay shipping on your kicks not slated for resole if they fit me!


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By Ian Stewart
Feb 18, 2013

jim.dangle wrote:
Some of the numbers being thrown around are a little skewed. What climber pays MSRP!?


Fine, you got me, I usually don't pay MSRP. However, for popular shoes, 20% is often the best you can do. I haven't seen Miuras cheaper than around $125 in a very long time. I waited for about a year before realizing that a 20% off REI coupon was the best I could find for my TC Pros (ended up paying $144).

jim.dangle wrote:
And when I say cheap shoes I mean shoes bought on the cheap not crappy shoes. With a little looking I just bought a pair of verde's new for 80 bucks.


50% off discounts are the exception, not the rule. When people say "cheap" shoe, they're talking about one with a low MSRP, not one that you just happened to find at 50% off. I'd guess that most shoes with a sub-$100 MSRP are considered entry-level or "crappy" by many advanced climbers.

Either way, I would rather pay MSRP for a pair of Miuras than $80 for any other pair of shoes. Why? Because I love Miuras. I've tried quite a few different shoes and, for my feet and climbing style, anything but Miuras are "crappier". Many people have the same sort of relationship with their shoes. There's a reason some shoes are still insanely popular despite high (and increasing) prices.

jim.dangle wrote:
Even with a good resole the shoes rarely climb the same and the non rubber parts of the shoes can start breaking down with age and then there inevitable stretch and sloppiness.


My Miuras are 5 years old and on their 4th (maybe even 5th, actually) soles. Even after a resole I prefer them to any other shoe. The leather is faded, but beyond that the shoes are in great shape. If your shoes are falling apart after one resole, perhaps you are in fact buying "cheap" shoes. And if the resole is that shitty, perhaps try a different resole company?

jim.dangle wrote:
If you can get a good shoe for 80 bucks, is it worth it to get it resoled for 40+? I think it really depends on the shoe and what you plan to do with it.


If I could buy a pair of Miuras for $80 I would in a heartbeat. But I can't...so I have them resoled.

jim.dangle wrote:
I always end up paying for rand repair so it ends up costing 40 plus with shipping and everything.


Try having them resoled earlier, or work on your footwork.


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By John Ryan
From Poncha Springs, CO
Feb 18, 2013
No Name Crack, 5.10, Supercrack Buttress, Indian Creek, Utah

Yes resoling is worth it but I understand your reservations. I resoled a pair of LS Taos probably 18 years ago and got them back to find the sick pointed toe was round and clumsy. Not sure which company this was. A few years ago I sent in my favorite shoes some slip-on Scarpas to Yosemite Bums. I was told they would last two weeks with a resole they were so worn. Only recently did I resole again, this time successfully with Rock n Resole. As advised by Yosemite Bums I sent my LS Testarossas in before the rand got messed up. Rock n Resole did an excellent job retaining down turn and pointed toe without touching rand. They are still super tight and perform great. I will resole again.


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