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By Zed
From Gotham City
Jan 24, 2008

Billy died Tuesday while filming for Warren Miller. Losses like this always remind me to appreciate every minute that I get to be alive.

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By MikeSLC
Jan 25, 2008

Sad news.

I thought it was inappropriate for Black Diamond’s Peter Metcalf to comment "in this sport, death is part of life".

By Mark Nelson
From Coniferous, CO
Jan 25, 2008
 In a zoo in California, a mother tiger gave birth to a rare set of triplet tiger cubs.    Unfortunately, due to complications in the pregnancy, the cubs were born prematurely and due to their tiny size, they died shortly after birth. <br /><br />The mother tiger after recovering from the delivery, suddenly started to decline in health, although physically she was fine. The veterinarians felt that the loss of her litter had caused the tigress to fall into a depression. The doctors decided that if the tigress could surrogate another mother's cubs, perhaps she would improve. <br /><br />After checking with many other zoos across the country, the depressing news was that there were no tiger cubs of the right age to introduce to the mourning  mother. The veterinarians decided to try something that had never been  tried in a zoo environment. Sometimes a mother of one species will take on the care of a different species. The only "orphans" that could be found quickly, were a litter of weaner pigs.  The zoo keepers and vets wrapped the piglets in tiger skin and placed the babies around the mother tiger.<br />

Totally agree; way too soon after something like this happens to say that. I couldn't believe what I was reading from BD about what happened.

By TP in SLC
Jan 25, 2008
The mad bomber!

The comment did seem very callus and cold AND inappropriate.

I had the opportunity to ride in the same pack as Billy once or twice at the Bird and he was always smiling and having a good time. Like the one time he skied the Center Chute off of the Twins. Very impressive line with a 40 Ft. huck into 8 inches of snow. The Snowbird Patrol didn't look to kindly on that because the area is permanently closed, but boy howdy did that track look sweet, and it stayed there for a week, it was really impressive.

We will miss you Billy.

By John J. Glime
From Salt Lake City, UT
Jan 25, 2008

What comments are you guys referring to?

By Mark Nelson
From Coniferous, CO
Jan 25, 2008
 In a zoo in California, a mother tiger gave birth to a rare set of triplet tiger cubs.    Unfortunately, due to complications in the pregnancy, the cubs were born prematurely and due to their tiny size, they died shortly after birth. <br /><br />The mother tiger after recovering from the delivery, suddenly started to decline in health, although physically she was fine. The veterinarians felt that the loss of her litter had caused the tigress to fall into a depression. The doctors decided that if the tigress could surrogate another mother's cubs, perhaps she would improve. <br /><br />After checking with many other zoos across the country, the depressing news was that there were no tiger cubs of the right age to introduce to the mourning  mother. The veterinarians decided to try something that had never been  tried in a zoo environment. Sometimes a mother of one species will take on the care of a different species. The only "orphans" that could be found quickly, were a litter of weaner pigs.  The zoo keepers and vets wrapped the piglets in tiger skin and placed the babies around the mother tiger.<br />

The 28-year-old Poole was sponsored by Salt Lake City-based Black Diamond Equipment Ltd., maker of ski and climbing gear. Chief executive Peter Metcalf described him as a rising star among big-mountain skiers.

"His stature was increasing. He was inspiring, outgoing, friendly, the perfect ambassador for a company like Black Diamond," Metcalf said. "He lived the life of big mountain skier on just enough money to support his habit.

"In this sport," the executive said, "death is part of life."




It should be noted this was the first person to die in these films; they put a tremondous amount of pre-planning into this work. Though, the planning and analysis of what they endeavor don't really make the cut as far as a presentable extreme film.

By Zed
From Gotham City
Jan 25, 2008

In all fairness to Peter, he is correct, and I would say that he was speaking from the point of view of a guy who is directly involved with these situations.

I was very seriously injured skiing on this type of terrain, and was lucky enough to come away with only a few plates and screws on my spine. As an adventure sports photographer, I have also work with many of these top skiers, and I have seen, first hand, some very close calls. The worst part of filming this type of sport is always the landings - not knowing if the skier stuck it or crashed and burned.

Anyway, I realize that the statement might sound cold to some, although I truly believe that it was meant with the greatest respect for Billy.

KC

By TP in SLC
Jan 25, 2008
The mad bomber!

Ken Cangi wrote:
In all fairness to Peter, he is correct, and I would say that he was speaking from the point of view of a guy who is directly involved with these situations.


Couldn't disagree with you more Ken. Death is NOT part of life when skiing. Like Mark pointed out- this is the FIRST death in the history of making ski porn. Peter's comment was off the mark.

By Zed
From Gotham City
Jan 25, 2008

I'm sorry, Tyler, but the risk of serious injury or death is always an up-front factor when skiing at that level on that type of terrain. But whether or not we agree on that particular issue, my point was that I truly believe that Peter's comment was meant with the utmost respect for Billy, or at least it was in no way meant to be disrespectful.

Peace,

KC

By bbrock
From Al
Jan 25, 2008
feeling free<br />

Ken Cangi wrote:
I'm sorry, Tyler, but the risk of serious injury or death is always an up-front factor when skiing at that level on that type of terrain. But whether or not we agree on that particular issue, my point was that I truly believe that Peter's comment was meant with the utmost respect for Billy, or at least it was in no way meant to be disrespectful. Peace, KC


I agree, I can't imagine that his intentions were anything but conveying the utmost respect and sympathy. While this may have been the first death making a ski movie it certainly isn;t the first in the realm of big mountain and extreme skiing. As with climbing the possiblity of death lurks extremely close and is present all the time. Live by the sword...die by the sword. As climbers we sieze life by the horns and hang on for the ride, and if we die then it was doing something we truly loved. Kudos to Billy and everyone like him. Hope the pow is deep wherever he is.

By Jon Ruland
From Tucson, AZ
Jan 25, 2008
Leading at Windy Point, Mount Lemmon.

i gotta side with metcalf on this one. not only does it sound like he was trying to convey respect for poole by saying, "in this sport, death is a part of life", i think he also anticipated people assigning blame to him as the filmmaker. it seems like part of what he was trying to say was that it was admirable of poole to understand the risks inherent in the sport and take them anyway. if he took those risks for the love of the sport then i'd say it's admirable too.

By John McNamee
Administrator
From Littleton, CO
Jan 25, 2008
Pitch 7

I have worked on many film jobs including warren miller sets and although this is the first dealth, accidents do happen and I've had to carry the "talent" out at the end of the day.

Skiing at the level depicted in these movies carries risk. Sure the risk can be mitigate somewhat by the skill and preparation of the skier/border but sometimes the margins of safety are very narrow.

The truth can sometimes be hard to take.

By Mark Nelson
From Coniferous, CO
Jan 25, 2008
 In a zoo in California, a mother tiger gave birth to a rare set of triplet tiger cubs.    Unfortunately, due to complications in the pregnancy, the cubs were born prematurely and due to their tiny size, they died shortly after birth. <br /><br />The mother tiger after recovering from the delivery, suddenly started to decline in health, although physically she was fine. The veterinarians felt that the loss of her litter had caused the tigress to fall into a depression. The doctors decided that if the tigress could surrogate another mother's cubs, perhaps she would improve. <br /><br />After checking with many other zoos across the country, the depressing news was that there were no tiger cubs of the right age to introduce to the mourning  mother. The veterinarians decided to try something that had never been  tried in a zoo environment. Sometimes a mother of one species will take on the care of a different species. The only "orphans" that could be found quickly, were a litter of weaner pigs.  The zoo keepers and vets wrapped the piglets in tiger skin and placed the babies around the mother tiger.<br />

I would agree with you guys, the truth is hard to take.

However, this wasn't the filmmaker commenting, or someone commenting as a peer or family member; it was chief executive of BD & the comments provided were given well before a determinant and any contributory factors on the cause of death. In his position, this was absolutely irresponsible.

By Zed
From Gotham City
Jan 25, 2008

Mark,

I hope you're not always this quick to pass judgment on people without making the effort to understand the context in which they make such statements - especially when they are closer to the situation than you. Peter Metcalf has been directly involved in these sports, and with these athletes, long enough to understand the reality and general acceptance of death as a part of the game.

I seriously doubt that Billy, or most of the athletes in that game, would have had any problem with the comment. All of the above considered, I think calling him irresponsible is, at best, unfair. I am not suggesting that you meant it that way, but just that it comes off as such.

By Mark Nelson
From Coniferous, CO
Jan 25, 2008
 In a zoo in California, a mother tiger gave birth to a rare set of triplet tiger cubs.    Unfortunately, due to complications in the pregnancy, the cubs were born prematurely and due to their tiny size, they died shortly after birth. <br /><br />The mother tiger after recovering from the delivery, suddenly started to decline in health, although physically she was fine. The veterinarians felt that the loss of her litter had caused the tigress to fall into a depression. The doctors decided that if the tigress could surrogate another mother's cubs, perhaps she would improve. <br /><br />After checking with many other zoos across the country, the depressing news was that there were no tiger cubs of the right age to introduce to the mourning  mother. The veterinarians decided to try something that had never been  tried in a zoo environment. Sometimes a mother of one species will take on the care of a different species. The only "orphans" that could be found quickly, were a litter of weaner pigs.  The zoo keepers and vets wrapped the piglets in tiger skin and placed the babies around the mother tiger.<br />

Allright, Ken. I guess the way I see it, this is a family matter. If this was a family statement, I've got no problem with it.

By andy peter tretiakoff
From Tucon,Az
Jan 25, 2008
Getting ready for an early morning tour.

Poole wasn't the first Skier to have died during filming!

During a filming in March 1993 Paul Ruff died will attempting to Jump a 160 Ft. cliff near "Kirkwood Ski Resort" Ca. I believe it was a Warren Miller filming IIRC. Paul Ruff also was 28 Years old at the time.

By Zed
From Gotham City
Jan 26, 2008

andy peter tretiakoff wrote:
Poole wasn't the first Skier to have died during filming! During a filming in March 1993 Paul Ruff died will attempting to Jump a 160 Ft. cliff near "Kirkwood Ski Resort" Ca. I believe it was a Warren Miller filming IIRC. Paul Ruff also was 28 Years old at the time.


It's true that the event was filmed, although Gary Nate wasn't officially filming for Miller at the time. It was a spec shoot that Paul Ruff hoped to market after the fact.

By Paul Hunnicutt
From Boulder, CO
Jan 26, 2008
Half Dome

For the record my opinion of Peter Metcalf is extremly high and can't imagine he meant any disrespect or harm with this comment.

By andy peter tretiakoff
From Tucon,Az
Jan 26, 2008
Getting ready for an early morning tour.

Ken Cangi wrote:
It's true that the event was filmed, although Gary Nate wasn't officially filming for Miller at the time. It was a spec shoot that Paul Ruff hoped to market after the fact.


Ken,
Thank's for clarifing this! It seem's so long ago. All I remember from that day is that several of my Friend's were pretty upset as they were their and had witnessed the "Horrific Accident." That was a rough ski season that year. There were six death's that year in the Sierra's.

By Zed
From Gotham City
Jan 26, 2008

andy peter tretiakoff wrote:
"Horrific Accident."


I agree. That was a bad one. The terrain seemed questionable to several of the crew right from the start.

By andy peter tretiakoff
From Tucon,Az
Jan 26, 2008
Getting ready for an early morning tour.

Ken Cangi wrote:
I agree. That was a bad one. The terrain seemed questionable to several of the crew right from the start.


Questionable condition's that day. The sun made the snow slow and from what I was told he didn't get enough speed to clear the rock's below. This bring's up a whole new debate. I felt that there was a lot of pressure to please the sponser's that day and he payed the ultimate price. I hope I'm not sounding disrespestful by saying this.

By fake_user2
Feb 7, 2008

It's truly sad when anyone dies.

By carabiner96
From Vermont
Feb 13, 2008

A guy filming a meatheads film was killed a few years ago in vermont while filming. This definitely was not the first death in ski porn.


Sad news, regardless.

By Brian in SLC
From Salt Lake City, UT
Feb 13, 2008
Climbing in Smuggler's Notch

carabiner96 wrote:
This definitely was not the first death in ski porn.


And, skiing in general, especially this type of terrain (aka "extreme").

Just look over the last 20 years, the number of well known climbers and skiers who've died in ski or ski related accidents. SLC has quite a number of these. And, folks that were well known here.

Its a sport with very thin margins that doesn't tolerate mistakes, objective or subjective, very well.

You don't have to have much of an off day to blow it.

Sad deal.

-Brian in SLC

By 5.10b4me
From Alhambra, California
Feb 20, 2008
on the Kor-Ingalls

Peter Metcalf was speaking the truth. It wasn't a callous statement.

By TP in SLC
Feb 20, 2008
The mad bomber!

Mark Nelson wrote:
Totally agree; way too soon after something like this happens to say that. I couldn't believe what I was reading from BD about what happened.


for emphasis.

And I am sure Peter loves kittens and birds and wouldn't say anything to harm a fly.....


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