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By slim
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Dec 5, 2007
tomato, tomotto, kill mike amato.

yeah, hobbs was pretty intense.


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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Dec 5, 2007
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "Alan Nelson's Bulging Belly" (5.10, X) on the Lost and Found Flatiron. Belayer is Mark Ruocco. Photo by Bill Wright, 10/06.

John Calder wrote:
That dog owner should have hit you so hard you'd be getting coloring books for Christmas for the rest of your life. I know I would've


But John, first you'd get to go to the hospital, and second to the pokey. But who'd take care of your dog while you were there with Biff as a lover?


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By John J. Glime
From Salt Lake City, UT
Dec 5, 2007
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Tony Bubb wrote:
then proceeded to bite me on the dick. Damn thing ripped a hole in the crotch of my shorts when I whacked it (I happened to have my rack in hand)


So... you had your rack in your hand and were whacking it, which ripped a hole in the crotch of your shorts, and then you got bit on the dick? Whoa, I'll be sure not to climb too close to you!

Taking things out of context (and order) is fun.


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By Buff Johnson
Dec 5, 2007
smiley face

what happened to the squirt gun, T?

Frankly there's nothing finer than an M-80 up a ca... oh, nothing.


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By Andrew Gram
Administrator
From Salt Lake City, UT
Dec 6, 2007
Andrew Gram

Not to move away from the jerks climbing at IC topic, or knocking off cat's heads with a golf club tangent, but...

As a good dog owner, I apologize for all the douchebags like that guy who posted earlier about beating an owner for threatening their dog. I have a very large potentially scary looking dog, and I am very well aware of the impact she has on non-dog people. I will never bring her to a crag(even though she is gentle enough to be a therapy dog - which her brother was) because I would never leave the possibility open of her being unsupervised around others(this is what you do with family that doesn't make decisions well - would you leave a 3 year old tied to a tree?). She is under good verbal control, but i still leash her or at least grab her collar when people walk up to us on a hiking trail so they feel comfortable.

I know that she would never attack anyone - even a person holding a steak that was punching me - because she is a big coward. I still understand that others don't love her as much as I do, and that she looks really scary to people unused to dogs. Its not my place to make these people more uncomfortable, and hopefully I can make them more comfortable by realizing that it is a privilege to have my beloved dog in my company in places where others also belong.

Here is a photo of my vicious dog btw. 150 pounds of love, but still not allowed to ruin anyone else' experiences at the crag.


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By Deaun Schovajsa
Dec 6, 2007
You wanna' look like this when ya get old!

Andrew - 150 pounds?? I consider that to be a pack animal. At that size I hope you have her carrying most of your gear to the crag!
I too, have a great companion that can be a little intimidating to other climbers, but let's not talk about my wife.
My dog is a shepherd - husky mix, looks ferocious and has a scary bark, but he is a big lover. One of the best camping and hiking partners I've ever had. If only I could teach him to belay...


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By Ben Kiessel
Dec 6, 2007
2003

Tony-
Painting the lime white is a good idea, then the other golfers will pay less attention. I personally can't hit the head off of a cat 175 when it was attached to begin with. So I was planning on removing the head before hand. I have to say that I like the idea of using the body as the golf tee though.


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By Richard Radcliffe
From Louisville, CO
Dec 6, 2007

Andrew Gram wrote:
Here is a photo of my vicious dog btw. 150 pounds of love, but still not allowed to ruin anyone else' experiences at the crag.

As long as we're having a big-dog-love-fest, here's Roman, my 120 lb lovable wuss. The tail never stops wagging, but, like Andrew, he could quickly ruin the day of someone who's afraid of or otherwise doesn't like dogs. Nope, I won't subject him to being tied up at the crag, really more for his sake than for the sake of others. Now, my two teenage daughters, well, that's another story...

Roman
Roman


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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Dec 6, 2007
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "Alan Nelson's Bulging Belly" (5.10, X) on the Lost and Found Flatiron. Belayer is Mark Ruocco. Photo by Bill Wright, 10/06.

Richard Radcliffe wrote:
Nope, I won't subject him to being tied up at the crag, really more for his sake than for the sake of others. Now, my two teenage daughters, well, that's another story...


Richard, I am shocked and horrified. Tieing up your teen daughters at the crag for the sake of others sounds perverse. Another poster, Dale36, mentioned something like this in a previous thread:

www.mountainproject.com/v/general_climbing/fill_in_the_blank>>>

Maybe that's how he and his wife got started?


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By John J. Glime
From Salt Lake City, UT
Dec 6, 2007
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I don't bring this bad boy either because usually adults and kids alike run for their lives, and that just isn't right.

karma
karma


25 lbs of terror. grrrr.


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By Andrew Gram
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From Salt Lake City, UT
Dec 6, 2007
Andrew Gram

Dude, your dog is smaller than my dog's head - you should haul him up the Titan in a backpack and get the most kickass summit shot ever.

The only time I've ever been a bit nervous about my dog biting someone was when John came over to my house wearing one of those Green Bay Packers cheesehead hats. That hat scared the hell out of my dog. She wouldn't stop barking at John until he took off the hat and hid it and fed her about 30 dog biscuits.


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By John Bradford
From Yellowstone National Park
Dec 6, 2007
Climbing in Malawi, Zomba Plateau

Thanks Andrew, for a great post! As someone who has been molested many times by dogs while riding, climbing and even cross country skiing, I appreciate a concerned and attentive dog owner. It is great to here from someone who does not see my ambivalence towards dogs at the crags as a character flaw, and somehow, my fault.
Validation at last!
Oh yeah, and I will stop chaining my 7 year old to trees. (That's bad?)


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By John J. Glime
From Salt Lake City, UT
Dec 6, 2007
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Andrew Gram wrote:
John came over to my house wearing one of those Green Bay Packers cheesehead hats. That hat scared the hell out of my dog. She wouldn't stop barking at John until he took off the hat and hid it


Yeah, she is definitely a Broncos fan, Packer fans beware...

By the way Andrew, I keep waiting for you to post over on the Goodbye Tamo thread :)


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By Buff Johnson
Dec 6, 2007
smiley face

my kinda dog knows jackass when it sees one:

I dare you....
I dare you....


from the Lee Smith Collection.


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By Adam
Dec 6, 2007

Some of the sick fucks on this post talking shit about doing harm to cats need help. I would gladly do all those things and more to you folks, with out the helmet. However you've got nothing stored in your heads, so it would prove ineffective. Just for kicks I'm going to lets see, blow up a dog,rat,bird(any pet) with an m-80 kill it with a golf club? I've killed a lot of animals in my life, but after reading some of these fucked up peoples posts, it's not animals that I want to do harm to...

Isn't this site supposed to be about climbing and climbing areas and that kinda thing. After seeing what kinda shit this site allows I'm gone. Bye


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By John J. Glime
From Salt Lake City, UT
Dec 6, 2007
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What, didn't you read the introduction to the site which states that the people here are all Satanists? Dude, you need to read the fine print.


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By Richard Radcliffe
From Louisville, CO
Dec 6, 2007

Tony Bubb wrote:
Richard, I am shocked and horrified. Tieing up your teen daughters at the crag for the sake of others sounds perverse.

Try living with teenage daughters and a wife to boot. You can extract whatever perversity you like from my plan -- I just want some peace and quiet.


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By Buff Johnson
Dec 6, 2007
smiley face

ok, fine - everyone, stop making fun of cats, they can't help it.

All I know is that given the choice, a dog can clean a sport anchor, whereas a cat .... can only feed a coyote, oops;

ok, let me tell you about this rat we caught the other day ...


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By Richard Radcliffe
From Louisville, CO
Dec 6, 2007

Mark Nelson wrote:
All I know is that given the choice, a dog can clean a sport anchor, whereas a cat ....

I'd bet most cats can climb up to about 5.9 or 5.10, at least in Boulder Canyon.


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By KCP
From Eldorado Springs, CO
Dec 6, 2007

I have run into many dogs at the crags during my time in this sport Ė most of them very nice animals. I love animals, and Iím pretty certain that they sense that about me, because we usually get along well.

That having been said, on more than a few occasions, some of these unrestrained dogs have wandered into my safety zone (jumping on me while belaying, trampling my ropes and gear, etc.), causing what I believed to be potential safety issues. This was not the fault of the dogs. On the contrary, it was the fault of inconsiderate pet owners. What really gets me is when these dogs run right up to the cliff and jump on you and/or trample your rope, and the owner acts surprised and apologizes for the animalís behavior. Chances are that it isnít your dogís first outing to the crags, and it most likely isnít the first time that it has behaved in this manner, so why do you act surprised? Moreover, why do you apologize for your petís behavior when it was your fault for not having it restrained in the first place?

There are too many things going on at the bases of cliffs to be allowing dogs to run around unrestrained Ė especially while the owners are climbing and/or belaying. I have enough on my plate, just keeping myself and my partner safe, without having to be concerned with someoneís unrestrained dog jumping on me, trampling my gear, or otherwise forcing me to divert my attention away from the more important tasks at hand.

Unless your dog is a trained adventure dog, and knows the protocol, then please do the responsible thing and leave it at home. I donít want to be fifteen feet out from my last piece of gear and have my belayer knocked over or distracted by your unrestrained pet


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By Old and Busted
From Centennial, CO
Dec 7, 2007
Stabby

Speaking of cats, this is all you need to know about them:

video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=1322921&fr=yvmtf


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By Ben Kiessel
Dec 7, 2007
2003

Mike that was hilarious!

I had a cat once and it pooped on my bed. (i didn't kill it)

Adam, we will not hurt any cats, that's why we are putting helmets on them.


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By Buff Johnson
Dec 7, 2007
smiley face

That's Tony all the way!


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By Marc H
From Lafayette, CO
Dec 7, 2007
The Cathedral Spires in RMNP, left to right: Stiletto, Sharkstooth, Forbidden Tower, Petit Grepon, The Saber, The Foil, The Moon & The Jackknife.

Adam wrote:
Isn't this site supposed to be about climbing and climbing areas and that kinda thing.


I agree that it is quite annoying when you are trying to read through a forum and have to keep dodging posts about hitting cats with golf clubs. I really don't care what people do to cats (just don't fuck with my girlfriends). But try to keep your off-topic posts to a minimum.

--Marc


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By Buff Johnson
Dec 7, 2007
smiley face

Sorry Marc, my bad. Once people starting tooling each other, I figured we needed some campfire jesting.


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