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By APBT1976
Apr 10, 2012
Black Dike 12/25/11
It is also absurd and very offensive to suggest that basic science researchers, clinicians, biotech companies, the CDC, and the FDA are all in some conspiracy to distribute a potentially lethal vaccine. A much simpler explanation is that these agencies, doctors, and researchers are instead working as hard as possible to develop and distribute a safe and effective vaccine to prevent cancer.


"If life where only so simple"

But its not! And as much as we would like to think people go around acting in the best interest of others first rather than ones personal interests, self preservation or just the general principles one has come to believe as a result of ones journey "science included" people rarely are able to do so.

Get a large group involved like a a board or the amount of people it takes to approve one drug and that one genuine honest person gets stepped on right out the starting gates as he or she is probably in the way of anothers personal agenda in some way shape or form.

Just as those who say bad drugs bad vaccines probably have personal experience to back up their reason why i am sure the pro drug vaccine people have there own reasons as they are maybe the ones who develop these drugs, take these drugs or are close to someone who has come to depend on these drugs. There are two sides to everything in life and if you cant see that you are not even worth wasting time with.

I am anti all this stuff so much as it makes sense. But again sense is subjective and personal.

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By dannl
Apr 10, 2012
APBT1976 wrote:
I am anti all this stuff so much as it makes sense. But again sense is subjective and personal.


I don't think you are correct. Before you start eating or injecting anything into your body, wouldn't you rather do a little work to figure out if it's good for you? You could just try a little of everything, and if you got sick, then don't eat any of that anymore. Or even better, ask a bunch of your friends whether they eat it, and then follow their advice. Or even better, ask a ****-load of people, write down their yes/no vote, and check back a year later, to see how each group is doing. Whichever group is doing better, follow their advice.

If you ask enough people, you can prove that something is good for you - you can do it with food or even with medicine, then it's called a clinical trial, but its just a big survey, with statistics to make sure everybody stays honest.

Also, psyllium husk is what's in metamucil, and if you don't like what your poop looks like when you're on your "cleanse", you could just eat more vegetables instead - apple juice is just processed sugar water man, it's probably bad for you. :)

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By $t0& 960
From Colorado
Apr 10, 2012
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People vaccinating for warts virus that has been around for billions if years to prevent cancer? How about prevention medicine doc? Or you r not gonna be able to make your next mortgage with that huh? Get real! The boy is clearly depressed. And doctor go to a 3rd world country so you can donate your skills and learn to live simple.....no?
p.s .and colonics will cure just about anything for the right price

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By dannl
Apr 10, 2012
Mitch Zimmerman wrote:
People vaccinating for warts virus that has been around for billions if years to prevent cancer? How about prevention medicine doc?


Warts virus is not the same as cancer virus. They are different.

Preventative medicine is great - clinical studies have shown that vegetables are delicious....and you should eat them, then you would constantly be getting rid of the bad stuff, not just when you feel lousy and do a cleanse.

To be clear, my first post was mostly for APBT, to the original poster Jeremy, I hope you feel better, but you might need more than just more vegetables; couldn't hurt though.

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By APBT1976
Apr 10, 2012
Black Dike 12/25/11
dannl wrote:
I don't think you are correct. Before you start eating or injecting anything into your body, wouldn't you rather do a little work to figure out if it's good for you? You could just try a little of everything, and if you got sick, then don't eat any of that anymore. Or even better, ask a bunch of your friends whether they eat it, and then follow their advice. Or even better, ask a ****-load of people, write down their yes/no vote, and check back a year later, to see how each group is doing. Whichever group is doing better, follow their advice. If you ask enough people, you can prove that something is good for you - you can do it with food or even with medicine, then it's called a clinical trial, but its just a big survey, with statistics to make sure everybody stays honest. Also, psyllium husk is what's in metamucil, and if you don't like what your poop looks like when you're on your "cleanse", you could just eat more vegetables instead - apple juice is just processed sugar water man, it's probably bad for you. :)



Ahh ha ha you are a douche bag. As if i did not know psyllium husk is the main ingredient in many laxative/stool softeners. Duh 'day one shit" Next!

The apple juice is freshly juiced using organic apples. Sure lots of Sugar but not processed. When you don't eat for 10-14 days and drink like 5 gallons of water a day and ingest all kinds of digestive stimulator/laxative you gotta keep the blood sugar up some way. I would say fresh made apple juice is a pretty good way.

Meals Today and pretty much the same everyday just rotate the fruits and veg for more variety. All items are organic and locally sourced so long as i can eat the healthy food i need and not locally sourced garbage just for the sake of being local.

Breakfast, 1 Hard boiled egg, 1 banana, half pear, one half grapefruit. cinnamon on banana and pear.

Lunch, graze throughout day on Raw unsalted almonds, pepitos, walnuts and fresh fruit.

Dinner, Boneless skinless chicken breast, Kale, spinach, beats, parsnip, avocado, garlic, olive oil.

4-6 litters of water.

As far as clinical studies go. The guidelines are set/derived by someone or more than likely yet just one more group of people. Even with a clinical study the findings are subjective based on what parameters have been set forth by whom and and for what reason. The results fall somewhere withing the guidelines and parameters set forth for the study "get my point" all depends on what you are trying to look at or for and ones perspective on how that is or is not determined.

Sorry but i am just not very cozy trusting my health to a clinical study unless i am left zero other choice. And even then i will remain a skeptic.

It does not take a rocket scientist to know what is and is not healthy unless you are a freaking dumb ass. Fresh fruits and vegetables, as little exposures to synthetic man made products or know natural toxins as possible. Shit in shit out normally applies to this sort of thing.

Take a look at this...

blessedherbs.com/testimonials....

Even after my diet of fresh fruits and veg that i eat 99.9% of the time i can get this nasty stuff out of my body once or twice a year. I cant imagine what most peoples crap looks like after doing this. The stuff is literally rubbery.


Sorry clinical trials don't convince me of much!!! If they work for you fine i am not trying to tell you what you should and should not do. What is good for one man may be completely wrong for the next and visa versa. You like studies, i don't so what.

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By AJS
From Boulder, CO
Apr 10, 2012
In the sea of Cortez - Baja California, Mexico
APBT1976 wrote:
All items are organic and locally sourced so long as i can eat the healthy food i need and not locally sourced garbage just for the sake of being local.


Where do you live where you can get locally grown apples, bananas, cinnamon, coffee, pears, grapefruit, almonds, pepitos (I assume you mean pepitas?), avocados, and garlic -- I would think most of those require fairly different climates. Or does 'locally sourced' just mean that you bought them locally? (Sorry, I really don't know, not trying to harass you)

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By APBT1976
Apr 10, 2012
Black Dike 12/25/11
AJS wrote:
Where do you live where you can get locally grown apples, bananas, cinnamon, coffee, pears, grapefruit, almonds, pepitos (I assume you mean pepitas?), avocados, and garlic -- I would think most of those require fairly different climates. Or does 'locally sourced' just mean that you bought them locally? (Sorry, I really don't know, not trying to harass you) Cheers.


I made clear as much as i can and still eat a well rounded healthy nutritious diet.

Leafy greens root veg potatoes meats eggs so forth and so on can usually be had local year round. Sure fruit and nuts are a bitch!

Why do people try to pick each other apart. One thing to offer ones perspective with the intent to share what works for them in hopes it will work for another. Another thing to offer ones perspective with also the intent to knock down what another has to share and their experience.

I never said all meds are bad. i just said "I ME" take them as a last resort only always. But yes even then i will take meds if i am left no other option. Well some i refuse to take as they are just bad bad news. Crap i live on Aleve as much as i hate to admit it and as bad as it is for me i do it. I also eat a weird anti inflammatory foods and avoid inflammatory foods in a attempt to minimize my intake of Aleve.

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By dannl
Apr 10, 2012
APBT1976 wrote:
The apple juice is freshly juiced using organic apples. Sure lots of Sugar but not processed.


When the apples are juiced, it's processing. When someone drinks apple juice, their blood sugar spikes. Then insulin spikes. Don't you think it would be better to eat the apple and let your mouth and stomach break it up into chunks, slowly releasing the sugar for you to fuel your activities over a period of time? You don't want to stress out your pancreas; treat it nicely.

Your diet sounds great, but from what you wrote it has protein, fat, simple sugars, and some fiber (protein=egg/chkn, fat=nuts, sugar=fruit, fiber=kale, spnch, beets). You probably could use more complex carbs (eat some beans) and more fiber during breakfast or lunch (more spinach, yum!). The complex carbs will give you slow burning fuel throughout the day, and the extra fiber will absorb toxins and free radicals, saving the walls of your colon.

For whoever, if you already know this: After your food leaves the stomach, it goes through the small intestine where your body absorbs all the nutrients it wants, then the food goes through the large intestine (colon) and your body sucks out the water it wants. But you don't want that food to sit there, because it's the leftover waste, full of free radicals wrecking your colon. If you eat more vegetables your waste will spend less time in the colon, you get more "regular", and you also get less chance of colon cancer.

As far as the cleanse stuff: If shit in, shit out applies, gloppy fiber in, gloppy fiber out should explain the pics in that link....thanks by the way. :) If you take some metamucil, mix it up in some water, and set it aside for a day, it will be as rubbery and gross as those pics, that's just what psyllium fiber does. I've done it; you should test it out, hopefully you aren't spending $90 on a cleanse, spend your money on some ice screws, those are expensive.

My point about the clinical studies is that it's not a matter of "you like, I don't" its that studies contain data; take a look at what they did and see what you think.

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By APBT1976
Apr 10, 2012
Black Dike 12/25/11
dannl wrote:
When the apples are juiced, it's processing. When someone drinks apple juice, their blood sugar spikes. Then insulin spikes. Don't you think it would be better to eat the apple and let your mouth and stomach break it up into chunks, slowly releasing the sugar for you to fuel your activities over a period of time? You don't want to stress out your pancreas; treat it nicely. Your diet sounds great, but from what you wrote it has protein, fat, simple sugars, and some fiber (protein=egg/chkn, fat=nuts, sugar=fruit, fiber=kale, spnch, beets). You probably could use more complex carbs (eat some beans) and more fiber during breakfast or lunch (more spinach, yum!). The complex carbs will give you slow burning fuel throughout the day, and the extra fiber will absorb toxins and free radicals, saving the walls of your colon. For whoever, if you already know this: After your food leaves the stomach, it goes through the small intestine where your body absorbs all the nutrients it wants, then the food goes through the large intestine (colon) and your body sucks out the water it wants. But you don't want that food to sit there, because it's the leftover waste, full of free radicals wrecking your colon. If you eat more vegetables your waste will spend less time in the colon, you get more "regular", and you also get less chance of colon cancer. As far as the cleanse stuff: If shit in, shit out applies, gloppy fiber in, gloppy fiber out should explain the pics in that link....thanks by the way. :) If you take some metamucil, mix it up in some water, and set it aside for a day, it will be as rubbery and gross as those pics, that's just what psyllium fiber does. I've done it; you should test it out, hopefully you aren't spending $90 on a cleanse, spend your money on some ice screws, those are expensive. My point about the clinical studies is that it's not a matter of "you like, I don't" its that studies contain data; take a look at what they did and see what you think.


If i do the processing and i don't add shit to it in the process i am ok with that.

I eat plenty of complex carbs. Yams, always beans soaking in the fridge, millet, barley, and when am crazy weak sprouted grain pasta even though it is yes processed.

As far as the husk goes yes you can feel it turn to gel in your belly as you drink it. And i have def left a half drunk glass of it next to my bed or in the sink for a couple days. Does not take long for it to mutate.

As for the cleans yes i spend my $$$ on it and yes i could reproduce it for much less money. it just happens i like it and it is easy convenient and all laid out for you. Also there is more to it than apple juice and husk. benzonolt clay is one of the other things that comes to mind. yes i know i could just buy that also.

As far as studies go they are good for getting a person thinking. I rely on them for nothing concrete and nothing more than food for thought. Yes thinking is good more people should try it and i am not trying to be a wise ass to you.

Ow an fyi i don't think a cleans is nec good for a person. I just happen to enjoy it. I do consider it in moderation "once twice a year" much better than eating burgers fries chicken nuggets. bread butter, oils so forth and so on for the same two thru four weeks.

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By $t0& 960
From Colorado
Apr 10, 2012
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Colonics people colonics...and boobs. Colonics and boobs are a cureall!

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By Aerili
From Salt Lake City, UT
Apr 11, 2012
The West Desert...it's not just for climbing, suck...
Jeremy Hand wrote:
I always have a question for people who bring up claims like this... if you're vaccinated and I'm not vaccinated and I contract some disease that you've been vaccinated for... why would you contract it? Isn't that proof that vaccinations are not beneficial to your health and only put yourself at risk to adverse side affects? That makes no sense.

I think others addressed this adequately. Have you heard of herd immunity? It's when your health is protected from diseases by the fact that other people have immunity while you do not. Herd immunity is mostly found in the U.S. today due to the widespread use of vaccines. For instance, most people, vaccinated or not (such as babies), do not have to worry about contracting TB, measles, and so forth because there are so many people around them who have the immunity (due to vaccine) that the disease is essentially "dead" in the community.

However, when events conspire to introduce the disease to the community (like an individual traveling and coming back infected), unvaccinated people are at risk. The problem is that babies and small children who have not had their vaccines yet can become seriously ill and/or die (more so than the average adult), so the more adults you have who are unvaccinated and can spread infectious disease the more you put vulnerable children at risk.


k.riemondy wrote:
The amount of disinformation on this thread is frightening.

Thanks for the well stated post, kr. But as you can see, some people don't know and don't care how the scientific method works. It's just a conspiracy anyway.

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By DexterRutecki
From Cincinnati, Ohio
Apr 11, 2012
Aerili wrote:
Thanks for the well stated post, kr. But as you can see, some people don't know and don't care how the scientific method works. It's just a conspiracy anyway.


Mainly ABPT1976. Its even more amusing because he is so sure he knows what he is talking about, its kinda scary to think a lot of the US population thinks like him. He is jumping on a bandwagon as much as he claims we are all on a pill popping band wagon.

I have to face palm everytime I read one of his posts.

Its not just un-educated people like him though, even elenor(mitch) who is a nurse has no idea what she is talking about and is full of mis information.

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By DexterRutecki
From Cincinnati, Ohio
Apr 11, 2012
AJS wrote:
Where do you live where you can get locally grown apples, bananas, cinnamon, coffee, pears, grapefruit, almonds, pepitos (I assume you mean pepitas?), avocados, and garlic -- I would think most of those require fairly different climates. Or does 'locally sourced' just mean that you bought them locally? (Sorry, I really don't know, not trying to harass you) Cheers.


ABPT1976 you still didn't answer his question. If you are going to continue to just post BS at least tell us where you are getting locally grown bananas, coffee, and grapefruit...

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By $t0& 960
From Colorado
Apr 11, 2012
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I have 4 words for you all: the road to wellville! ...aka Boulder :)

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By Jeremy Hand
Apr 11, 2012
slopey
There are plenty of scientists that don't believe vaccines are beneficial and there are quite a few peer reviewed studies that show vaccines aren't worth the risk. There is evidence that pet vaccines cause cancer in said animals, the head CDC vaccine scientist was arrested last year on fraud, mercury and aluminum are toxic to the human body, HPV vaccine was shown to be contaminated with the rDNA of HPV, a finnish study showed that the swine flu vaccine caused narcolepsy... blah blah blah. You have your points, I have mine.

But anyway, somebody at work mentioned mononucleosis.... that would make sense. I was sick off and on constantly this year so I'm going to mention this to the doctor as well.

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By Elena Sera Jose
From colorado
Apr 11, 2012
bacon
That sucks man!

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By Jeremy Hand
Apr 11, 2012
slopey
Russell89 wrote:
That sucks man!


+1

ate dinner last night and immediately zonked out on the couch for like 2 hours and then went to bed and immediately zonked out again. I'm still not 'awake' so I just got cup 2, but I'm gonna stop after this. Also these cups are only like 6oz cups, not travel mug sized.

Happy crushin to everybody rock wrastlin' today

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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Apr 11, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "...


They are everywhere

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By APBT1976
Apr 11, 2012
Black Dike 12/25/11
DexterRutecki wrote:
ABPT1976 you still didn't answer his question. If you are going to continue to just post BS at least tell us where you are getting locally grown bananas, coffee, and grapefruit...


Your funny Dex!!

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By JohnWesely
From Red River Gorge
Apr 11, 2012
Gunking
I am glad my body isn't as delicate as some of other people's in this thread. My policy is garbage in/ awesome out.

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By fat cow
From St. Paul, MN
Apr 11, 2012
perfect seam
JohnWesely wrote:
My policy is garbage in/ awesome out.


hahaha

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By Elena Sera Jose
From colorado
Apr 16, 2012
bacon
I shit awesome! Hahaha! I think you think too much into it man....just saying

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By DexterRutecki
From Cincinnati, Ohio
Apr 16, 2012
APBT1976 wrote:
Your funny Dex!!


Well.......??? Still waiting on that answer. Oh you mean its just more of you talking out of your ass?

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By will smith
From boulder
Apr 16, 2012
hard to believe this thread is 10 days old give it up see a doc

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By Jeremy Hand
Apr 18, 2012
slopey
Went and saw the doc about my back and brought up questions about my wrist which had been burning the past couple days, which he attributed to tendonitis, and my fatigue/malaise. I set up some PT for my back and the doc said if my fatigue doesn't improve after the therapy to come back to have blood drawn. I appreciate all the input and some interesting discussion.

It looks like I'm going to be doing some resting the next month which gives me ample time to do some much needed hiking and getting my new dog settled into his new home.

Climb strong and enjoy!

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