By Legs Magillicutty
From Littleton
Apr 6, 2012
| APBT1976 wrote: I say keep you medicine/vaccines/machines off my body. I will let you try and tell me what you think is wrong with me. I will then turn back to good old mother earth for a solution. If she does not have a answer for me so be it let her take me back. I refuse to be a chemistry experiment for this world gone astray!!
I could not agree more as I'm one of those people who is a medication side effect statistic. I will always look to natural methods first. | 
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By ErikaNW
Apr 6, 2012
| As many others have suggested, doesn't hurt to get a medical work-up and opinion. If a diagnosis is made and treatment is suggested, the course you choose take is yours to decide.
The concern I have is missing something in the early stages that might be treatable by attempting to self-diagnose and self-treat with natural methods. Unexplained fatigue (although it sounds as though there may be more to your particular story) is NOT normal in a healthy 21 year old.
I have known too many young, healthy people who ignored signs and symptoms, or turned to the internet for answers, when they actually had something serious going on like leukemia. Is that likely? Probably not, but it never hurts to rule out the baddies with a simple medical work-up and then go from there.
Good luck to you! |
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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Apr 6, 2012
| Christian wrote: It amazes me that anybody could have an anxiety disorder and not at least suspect that they do, but I've seen it happen.
Any frog boiled slowly may not jump.
Likewise, as a dyslexic people always ask me what it is like - I always reply. It's normal to me, so I can't explain it. (Shrug) if you can tell me what it's like NOT being dyslexic, I can point out the differences.
Same goes for anxiety, OCD, depression, ADHD, etc... it's hard to know when your frame of reference moves with you. |
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By JLP
From The Internet
Apr 6, 2012
| I'm always stoned. I started smoking a ton of weed a few weeks back, but I'm pretty sure that's not the problem. Can someone help me? |
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By DexterRutecki
Apr 6, 2012
| APBT1976 wrote: I say keep you medicine/vaccines/machines off my body. I will let you try and tell me what you think is wrong with me. I will then turn back to good old mother earth for a solution. If she does not have a answer for me so be it let her take me back. I refuse to be a chemistry experiment for this world gone astray!!
Id like to see you say that when you actually need modern medicine.... Easy to talk a big game now. |
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By Aerili
From Salt Lake City, UT
Apr 6, 2012
| APBT1976 wrote: I say keep you medicine/vaccines/machines off my body. I will let you try and tell me what you think is wrong with me. I will then turn back to good old mother earth for a solution. If she does not have a answer for me so be it let her take me back.
I am totally fine with mother earth taking back you and only you. My problem is that when your non-vaccinated ass comes down with tuberculosis, mumps, typhoid, yellow fever, or things like that, you take other people with you. |
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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Apr 6, 2012
| Aerili wrote: I am totally fine with mother earth taking back you and only you. My problem is that when your non-vaccinated ass comes down with tuberculosis, mumps, typhoid, yellow fever, or things like that, you take other people with you.
I agree, you shouldn't expose others to your diseases just because of personal belief. |
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By Christian
From Tucson, Az
Apr 6, 2012
| Tony B wrote: Any frog boiled slowly may not jump. Likewise, as a dyslexic people always ask me what it is like - I always reply. It's normal to me, so I can't explain it. (Shrug) if you can tell me what it's like NOT being dyslexic, I can point out the differences. Same goes for anxiety, OCD, depression, ADHD, etc... it's hard to know when your frame of reference moves with you.
Yeah, that makes sense. Also, considering the social expectations (usually) placed on men, denial may also be an issue.
I'm not trying to diagnose anybody over the Internet, just adding to the discussion of the possibilities. |
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By APBT1976
From Never never land...
Apr 6, 2012
| DexterRutecki wrote: Id like to see you say that when you actually need modern medicine.... Easy to talk a big game now.
Ow i will..
I see how well modern medicine has worked for my parents grand parents so forth and so on. Fix one problem "maybe if you get lucky" and create ten more! All in a miserable attempt to extend a life all the while reducing its quality to next to nothing anyway.
Nah sitting in a chair having to be taken care of just because i am afraid of death is not for me. I am not that afraid of death to be honest and i dont quite understand why most are? The idea does not bother me quite enough to go through the crap most are willing just to postpone the inevitable. To be honest i am more afraid of sitting in a chair in miserable condition helpless not being able to call it a day. |
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By APBT1976
From Never never land...
Apr 6, 2012
| Aerili wrote: I am totally fine with mother earth taking back you and only you. My problem is that when your non-vaccinated ass comes down with tuberculosis, mumps, typhoid, yellow fever, or things like that, you take other people with you.
Good thing in this modern day we/i do not really have to worry about any of that as the choice was made for me at birth!
Lets just say i am in no big rush to go out and get the new HPV vac!!!
I agree when your choices start effecting others you gotta consider that. I say the same can be said for people deciding for me that all these vaccines are not bad for me and do not possibly create problems of their own. Again the same can be said for either side, depends what side of the fence you are on.
I say my body my choice. I do get that when i start paying for some dicks cancer treatment that gave it to him self smoking butts you have a bit of a conundrum. Or the fat fuck living on fast food and garbage and my tax dollars paying their medical bills. |
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By DexterRutecki
Apr 6, 2012
| APBT1976 wrote: Ow i will.. I see how well modern medicine has worked for my parents grand parents so forth and so on. Fix one problem "maybe if you get lucky" and create ten more! All in a miserable attempt to extend a life all the while reducing its quality to next to nothing anyway. Nah sitting in a chair having to be taken care of just because i am afraid of death is not for me. I am not that afraid of death to be honest and i dont quite understand why most are? The idea does not bother me quite enough to go through the crap most are willing just to postpone the inevitable. To be honest i am more afraid of sitting in a chair in miserable condition helpless not being able to call it a day.
Sitting in a chair being spoon fed because you are 90 years old is not what we are talking about.... How about when you have that unexpected heart attack at 35. You would prefer the paramedics/doctors did not use those fancy defibrillator "machines" and skip the life saving meds which could give you another 30+ awesome quality of life years because your body is not a "chemistry experiment".
I take it you have your DNR filled out since you don't want to be saved by fancy medicine that creates ten problems trying to fix one? Haha I am guessing you don't.... be a man for once in your life and put your money where your mouth is. If you don't believe in modern medicine and want to be left to nature then post up that DNR tough guy! |
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By Tom Fralich
From Fresno, CA
Apr 6, 2012
| "I once thought I had mono for an entire year. It turned out I was just really bored."
-Wayne Campbell |
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By Dan Austin
Apr 6, 2012
| quick, which is more indefensible: denying evolution or scaremongering about vaccines? |
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By Dan Austin
Apr 6, 2012
| DexterRutecki wrote: Sitting in a chair being spoon fed because you are 90 years old is not what we are talking about.... How about when you have that unexpected heart attack at 35. You would prefer the paramedics/doctors did not use those fancy defibrillator "machines" and skip the life saving meds which could give you another 30+ awesome quality of life years because your body is not a "chemistry experiment". I take it you have your DNR filled out since you don't want to be saved by fancy medicine that creates ten problems trying to fix one? Haha I am guessing you don't.... be a man for once in your life and put your money where your mouth is. If you don't believe in modern medicine and want to be left to nature then post up that DNR tough guy!
well said.
also to add more content to my double post: why don't you (APBT1976) want the HPV vaccine? how do you feel about head and neck cancer? |
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By APBT1976
From Never never land...
Apr 6, 2012
| DexterRutecki wrote: Sitting in a chair being spoon fed because you are 90 years old is not what we are talking about.... How about when you have that unexpected heart attack at 35. You would prefer the paramedics/doctors did not use those fancy defibrillator "machines" and skip the life saving meds which could give you another 30+ awesome quality of life years because your body is not a "chemistry experiment". I take it you have your DNR filled out since you don't want to be saved by fancy medicine that creates ten problems trying to fix one? Haha I am guessing you don't.... be a man for once in your life and put your money where your mouth is. If you don't believe in modern medicine and want to be left to nature then post up that DNR tough guy!
Funny you should mention the DNR as it is a topic that has come up on more than one occasion this past year. Watching my aging grandfather whom has never been of very good health yoyo back and forth between maintaining and this may be my last trip to hospital. And then listen to him say to us all i am done i have had enough in one breath then in the next tell us i just cant do that to your grandmother only to make it back home to a piss poor existence for all involved only to wish it would just end as he is way too tired as he has now been fighting tooth and nail for multiple years.
Yeah all that along with my risky climbing behavior has made me ask these questions for the first time in my life. "Really we cant just say enough is enough when we are all done if we are that sick and we dont see the point anymore nor do others around us?" Sorry that is freaking nuts to me! I know if i get injured and stuck in a chair i for one am all done thats it the end of the line for me.
Life is busy and no i do not have a DNR but then again i just figured out what one was and that it was a real option in the last 6 months. I assure i will have one by 40, i am 35 now.
I have talked about this with my mother my one or two of my other friends that i know share the same distaste for modern medicine as i. Sure a heart attack is one thing. Stuck on heart medication that ends up creating another problem and maybe not being able to do the things i love "not ok" and i no i am not interested. Lipator for high cholesterol sorry not ok again i will take the high cholesterol. The paddles of course i will take those but if i wake up without my legs i think i should be able to say knock back out and for good this time!!
I don't see what is so weird about not wanting to fight nature and when ones time comes being ok with it. Even if that time is a heart problem and not wanting the meds, or knowing you would loose your freaking mind stuck in a chair and you are not up for loosing your mind. The only real reason i see for not taking the meds or suffering out a major injury is leaving those that love you behind when you had another option. On the other hand if you are just miserable what good are you really doing them making them watch that?
Anyway go to the doctor it will all add up to a piece of the puzzle and if nothing else get you one step closer to the real answer. My guess is the caffeine, medications, extra work are the real culprit but who knows something major could be wrong. I am not saying that is not the case nor am i saying you should take the stance i do in regard to modern medicine. I go to regular and holistic doctors. I just do not let either one of them decide for me what is wrong with me before i consider all angles and get many second third and fourth opinions and can decide for myself. |
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By APBT1976
From Never never land...
Apr 6, 2012
| Dan Austin wrote: well said. also to add more content to my double post: why don't you (APBT1976) want the HPV vaccine? how do you feel about head and neck cancer?
Because i have no faith in the FDA!!!
Look at their freaking track record FOR Christ sake. All the shit they approve that gets pulled off the market years later after the damage is done. All the studies done on drugs and the truth about really goes on behind those closed doors and what happens to the people it did not go so well for.
No thanks i stay clear of as much of all that shit as i can without turning into a freak! I do my best to consume zero processed foods. Ok i am addicted to ice cream and fresh baked cookies but that is about it for real. I try and eat as little food that comes in a package as humanly possible "fresh fruits meats and vegetables right from the farm whenever possible and i would say a solid 75% of what i eat is like this. I also use all natural sources of hand, dish, and body soap. Beyond that i use or make all my own household cleaners and steer well clear of any manufactured chemicals as much as this world will allow for without say not wearing synthetic clothing, driving a car and living in a modern home.
Simply i do the best i can to avoid all these things without driving myself and those around me totally fucking nuts about it all. |
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By DexterRutecki
Apr 6, 2012
| Cool, thanks for clearing it up that you have no idea what you are talking about. Haha seriously, did you read what you wrote? Long winded, rambling post with no point. You sound like a crazy person!
You are 35 and just found out what a DNR is... Need I say more? And now I am going to listen to you for advice on cholesterol medication??? You didnt even know what a DNR is yet you pretend to know so much about modern medicine... Brilliant! |
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By APBT1976
From Never never land...
Apr 6, 2012
| DexterRutecki wrote: Cool, thanks for clearing it up that you have no idea what you are talking about. Haha I mean seriously did you read what you wrote? Long winded, rambling post with no point. You sound like a crazy person! You are 35 and just found out what a DNR is... Need I say more? And now I am going to listen to you for advice on cholesterol medication??? You dont even know what a DNR is yet you seem to know so much about the pitfalls of modern medicine! Brilliant...
Listen Dex i never said my rule was the golden rule or the rule for anyone else. But if you are gonna question my personal ideals then i am gonna defend them. Sure to the average person "that drank the coolaid" i understand all of that is a waste of my breath and very few will se me as anything other than nuts.
Never had any reason to know what a DNR was as i have never seen anyone ill enough to need one in place or been that sick myself.
I am not trying to argue with a bunch of people i do not an probably never will know via internet forum. On the other hand i do feel pretty strong that we are our own worst enemies us humans!! If that makes me crazy so be it...
For all i know those tha have a problem with my view work in or are tied to the medical field in one way or another. If that is the case it is a loosing argument hence as i said i am not looking to argue however offer a alternative not very often heard perspective.
Sorry i cannot be hurded along like most. |
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By DexterRutecki
Apr 6, 2012
| Obviously you aren't interested in taking your psych meds either...
Its fine if you don't want to be a part of modern health care but at least educate yourself so you have a clue what you are talking about. |
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By DexterRutecki
Apr 6, 2012
| APBT1976 wrote: Beyond that i use or make all my own household cleaners and steer well clear of any manufactured chemical
As opposed to all the natural chemicals that are perfectly safe? There is plenty of all natural stuff that will kill you. Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. |
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By APBT1976
From Never never land...
Apr 6, 2012
| DexterRutecki wrote: Obviously you aren't interested in taking your psych meds either... Its fine if you don't want to be a part of modern health care but at least educate yourself so you have a clue what you are talking about.
Really pretty sure i have a clue what i am talking about. Sorry i don't march to the beat of the brainwashed drum!!
It does not take a rocket scientist to know cholesterol meds are bad bad news for 99% of those that are prescribed them. And just another giant $$$$ making scam for the big pharmaceutical companies.
Pretty much common knowledge unless you are the give me a pill to fix it as i am too lazy to do something about it myself type.
We are wasting our breath with each other. You and i don not see eye to eye. No big deal really! |
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By APBT1976
From Never never land...
Apr 6, 2012
| DexterRutecki wrote: As opposed to all the natural chemicals that are perfectly safe? There is plenty of all natural stuff that will kill you. Again, you have no idea what you are talking about.
And there are plenty man made ones that will make you sick. You go ahead and sort through all that and take that chance yourself.
I am not gonna argue with you. We clearly are two very different type people that will never see eye to eye on the subject.
That is ok with me.
Have a nice weekend. |
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By smithb
From Flagstaff, Az
Apr 6, 2012
| I have had similar problems in the past, mostly due to a student lifestyle. To rehab
the problem I do the following:
1) vitamin b-complex daily, after dinner and breakfast
2) no caffeine after 2pm
3) daily excercise
4) no nicotine within 4 hours of bed |
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By J Q
Apr 6, 2012
| APBT1976 wrote: Pretty much common knowledge unless you are the give me a pill to fix it as i am too lazy to do something about it myself type.
"Common sense is the best distributed commodity in the world, for every man is convinced that he is well supplied with it."
- Rene Descartes |
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By DexterRutecki
Apr 6, 2012
| APBT1976 wrote: It does not take a rocket scientist to know cholesterol meds are bad bad news for 99% of those that are prescribed them. Pretty much common knowledge unless you are the give me a pill to fix it as i am too lazy to do something about it myself type.
Really? Where are you getting this information from? Seriously lets see some facts here before you go spewing any more BS that you have convinced yourself is true.
You really think Doctors who spent YEARS in school are going to prescribe something that does more harm than good to 99% of their patients? Yes they must all be brainwashed too....
Seriously try reading a book sometime, dont get all your info off the internet. You are one of the vaccination=autism people arent you? |
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