Hot Karl Sunday 

I identified this route after I had climbed it by matching the description on RC.com where it is rated 5.11a. I felt 5.10c was more on par with the slab climbing in LCC.

I agree with the previous comment about a .10c rating. Feels kind of soft for .11a. Very safe lead w/ the crux up high on the route.

9 bolts + anchor, not 8... Great slab, lots of balancy moves on tiny nothings, protects very well.

Best route on this side of the Ice Cream Parlor. Good length and very consistent climbing the whole way.

This is a really fun climb. If you like cool, balancey, well protected moves do this climb! I agree that this is 10c.

This would barely squeak by at 5.9 in Safe Harbor, PA

HA HA you're funny Tyrel! Barely 5.9 eh... 5.10 in my book and pretty much any where in this country me thinks. Sure you were on the right route man? There are a couple of 5.9 slabs there as well. Bet those were what you were on..?

No, I am serious, I am certain I was on the right route. I have never onsighted a slab route harder that 5.10b and that was a terribly desperate affair. Every move on this route was secure but the climbing was sustained at 5.9 for the last few bolts. I did think it was a great climb, and I appreciated the close proximity of protection bolts on it, but it was definitely not 5.10.

Hmmm... Well grades are subjective and relative. Though it's interesting that in 17 people who have suggested a grade for this route, you are the only one who thinks it's even close to 5.9, yet all the rest of us gave it at least 5.10 or higher.

Tyrel, you must be the slab dancing master then. Good job!! I've got a couple of EASY slabs in LCC you should come try and then downgrade them for us... They maybe rated hard, but I'm sure you'll find them to be much much easier.

I appreciate the invitation but I will probably pass on it. There are more than enough slab routes in PA, and if I make the drive/flight to Utah I will be more interested in cracks.

Besides, I am really not a sandbagger, I just have really nice slab climbing shoes ;)

I've climbed at Safe Harbor and Hot Karl Sunday is definitely harder than any 5.9 I've climbed there. Btw, I had a great laugh when I saw Safe Harbor pop up in the Moab section.

Is this really still going on?! I am not referring to the current grades that people are considering most slabs at safe harbor. Talk to a REAL safe harbor local, that has been climbing there for 20+ years. Since safe harbor has opened in the last two years, I have seen many of the moderate routes jump up in grade as much as two numbers there. This whole discussion is stupid. Hot Karl Sunday us PISS easy for 10a, much less 10c. Be honest, its 5.9.

Tyrel: it would be 11c in Maple and probably 5.7 in JTree or Yosemite. Also, keep in mind that nobody gives two fucks about your glory years climbing in PA... I'm glad you feel like downgrading makes your dick seem bigger but if all you're doing with it is stick up your own ass you're not gaining much. Keep being a tool bro!

Haha, burn. Downgrading ICP... Your so hard, bro.