Gunks MUA camping ticket - help?
|
Hey all, |
|
Usually insurance points do not apply to non-moving traffic violations such as parking, etc. |
|
those other clowns get a ticket too? or were they gone at that point? For that I would plead not guilty and show up for the court date... then finish it off with some time at the cliffs. I've always had a judge knock shit down if not just make you donate some funds to wipe the ticket away. Donations to police charities usually can get a ticket torn up quickly. If you just plead guilty they will likely throw u a huge fine cause you're just a name on a ticket and to them a source of revenue. |
|
Yea don't plead guilty. In most municipalities, there will be an afternoon every week where the DA will hear your case and usually reduce the charge. You'll have to go on the specific day and stand in line for an hour or so - and you'll only get to have about a minute to make your argument, but it usually helps. If you're not sure about your car insurance, just call your agent. |
|
i got the same ticket. the letter said my driving privileges would be revoked in NY state. |
|
Same thing happened. We parked the first night on the side of the road and slept next to the car. Cops showed up, told Em me and my buddy were medics they said have a good night. Next night we did the dec campground and got the same ticket you did. Super lame. |
|
Medic741 wrote:Same thing happened. We parked the first night on the side of the road and slept next to the car. Cops showed up, told Em me and my buddy were medics they said have a good night. Next night we did the dec campground and got the same ticket you did. Super lame. But... Rangers an ice climber or something Just plead guilty. Lame.Oh wow a medic, let us all bow down to you! |
|
It's getting rather "unfriendly" in the Gunks. The preserve guards are there earlier than ever each day, earlier in the season, and later in the season (and if you ask, it isn't about the moeny - they're there to help you find the trailhead you're already at - duh!). They've made it as difficult as they can to camp ticket free at the PUBLIC (state owned/operated/managed) camping area. Raising fees annually. Increased instances of ticketing. It's almost as if they're trying to drive people (specifically climbers) away. |
|
Everyone is out to get you. |
|
just get your lisence suspended in NY. who cares. |
|
I got two speeding tickets in New York state back in the 80s and never paid them. |
|
The MUA has had a reputation for "don't camp in wrong spot" for years. |
|
Stich wrote:I got two speeding tickets in New York state back in the 80s and never paid them.you can't do that in a lot of states these days. In order to ensure fines are paid, and in order to maintain revenue, several states now share information and these agreements allow the home state to also suspend a license, or at the very least require you to pay the fine before you can renew. Not sure which states have agreements with which other states, but they exist. As for the camping: I'm super bummed by the potential development to begin next spring. OK, I live in Brasil now, but man, that free camping was really great. I wonder how many New Englanders will stay in NH and head to the 'Daks as a result. Drive four hours from Boston, pay your season's pass, and pay for camping? It adds up. |
|
Happiegrrrl wrote:Sorry, Kevin, but the Mohonk Rangers are not asking the DEC ranger to be a dick so they can drive people away; he is simply enforcing the law which his job requires of him.You completely missed my point - people often defend the management decisions for the entire area by pointing out that it's "not the Ranger's" fault, but when a corporate asshole steals/loses billions we place the blame on him/his company, and not the system. See the hypocrisy here? Not stating which is better or worse, just saying that we conveniently choose our interpretation of a situation for our personal reasons, not because of fact and usually not with a degree of objectivity. We all have this thing called freewill. The Ranger likes doing what he does otherwise he wouldn't do it. As an outsider who climbs a lot at the Gunks about 4 months a year, this is what the non-brainwashed among us think of the Preserve and local DEC enforcement officials. Once upon a time I had shit jobs. Decided I didn't like it, retooled and have a job I like. And I feel good about the work I do. I could make 3 or fifty times my paycheck doing something else but choose to do what I do so I sleep well at night, feel good about myself, and help others in the process. I wonder how many involved with the day to day operations at the Gunks and management of the surrounding areas feel good about their enforcement policies and practices. Based solely on their actions it doesn't appear that they care. |
|
Happiegrrrl wrote:The MUA has had a reputation for "don't camp in wrong spot" for years. The crackdown on parking alongside the road occurred this year due to community pressure.While I agree that the roadside parking is bad, there's a disconnect on whether enforcement of the arbitrary standards they've set for camping numbers are directly related. Lots of people sleep in their vehicles, for example. Until all camping is banned from the multi use area no 'protecting the environment' argument can be made, and since there clearly isn't enough parking for the number of campers/potential camping spots it seems a little like they're baiting people to get the tickets (whether through improper tent placement or car placement). A lot of people drive up late and don't have many options (literally or financially) if the camping area is full either by number or parking. There's no overflow solution other than fuck you. As for the new campground - I'll believe it when I see it. Two years ago was the first I heard of it. The gears move slowly, if at all. |
|
GMBurns wrote: you can't do that in a lot of states these days. In order to ensure fines are paid, and in order to maintain revenue, several states now share information and these agreements allow the home state to also suspend a license, or at the very least require you to pay the fine before you can renew.Oh, I'm aware of that. This was before ticket data was computerized. In the old days if you waited long enough and lived in another state, they simply got lost under tons of other unpaid, filed paper records and were eventually destroyed. |
|
Kevin Heckeler wrote: You completely missed my pointI don't believe I missed your point, Kevin. It is simply that I have a different perspective on the issue than you do, and have a better idea of what is going in in reality. You are entitled to your feelings, of course, but I think some of your stances come from an emotional basis and aren't actually based on factual evidence. You say the DEC likes his job or he wouldn't do it.... But most likely the DEC ranger does not consider his job a shit job, and finds there is much that outweighs having to do the unpleasant tasks. Most likely he does not get a thrill out of having to listen to the BS and excuses people come up with when he has to deal with their infractions. I know that I used to give excuses at campgrounds and put the rangers in a bad position, knowing I was outright lying, but being unable to call me on the BS. How does a ranger decide that the one out of twenty who honestly didn't know is that one? Why should they HAVE to? The MUA has a very obvious and clear sign as to what the deal is. As for " 'protecting the environment' argument" - the roadside parking issue was not about environment but residents going to the political members and insisting they deal with masses of vehicles on both sides of a road with very little shoulder. Kevin, you are a person I consider a friend, but when you use words like "guard" for a trailhead person I have to feel that you have a preconceived idea that doesn't mesh with what is really there. |
|
""As for " 'protecting the environment' argument" - the roadside parking issue was not about environment but residents going to the political members and insisting they deal with masses of vehicles on both sides of a road with very little shoulder. |
|
i absolutely consider the ones that sit at the entrances, guards... I would even call them bouncers. |
|
"They've told me their primary purpose is to collect fees while standing/sitting/waiting there" |
|
Stich wrote: Oh, I'm aware of that. This was before ticket data was computerized. In the old days if you waited long enough and lived in another state, they simply got lost under tons of other unpaid, filed paper records and were eventually destroyed.Yeah, I was just referring to the point that it may not be that smart to do that going forward. Regarding the "guards" issue: I never considered them guards. |