Ground Zero 

Has anybody done the left hand top out, instead of using the far left pinch, going up and left on flakes to finish 4 ft to the left (not all the way over to Ty's route)? It looks like it would be a very good variation, and only very slightly contrived. I would guess it is 10+ from the low start.

Mark, do you mean instead of going left to the vertical crimp and right to the sloper on the arete to go right gaston to the vertical crimp and pull left up to the crimp at the top of the face-center (eliminating the right arete entirely)?

I tried pulling on this the other day and it feels really hard. your feet aren't set up for pulling right up to the vertical crimp and it feels really hard to lock off on the low rail.

ETA: Also, I was looking at an extension in which you would match the right arete and move into the right face to a high right-sloping pinch and a crimp in the middle of the face before firing for the top.

"...go right gaston to the vertical crimp and pull left up to the crimp at the top of the face-center (eliminating the right arete entirely)?"
Yeah, that was what I was thinking. Maybe add a few more +s to the 10+ :)

I wish I could have seen what Ty did. From Dana's description, I can't see what he held on to. If he indeed went the way it sounds, I would think he could have done the super project on the tall rounded arete left of Finders Keepers. I swear that thing will go sometime. It just looks about V15 or something.

Ya, Giossi and I scoped out both Ty's thing and the super project ( on the finders keepers arete). it took us a WHILE to find the holds on ty's thing. its basically a crappy friction patch (I wouldn't quite call it a cookie unless referring to its texture). I think Giossi pulled on but thought it was hard as hell.

The thing in the middle of the face would be HARD. I think probably harder than "10+" maybe by like a grade or two. the trick would be locking off on the slopey one pad rail above the start rail in order to gaston the crimp. I definitely want to go back and sus out the moves. i think with a crazy heel hook it could actually be doable (until now i've always used a toe on the start rail).