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Description 

Greens Cliff is a beautiful wide granite cliff with outlying walls, located just south west of Sawyer Pond, in the heart of the White Mountain National Forest, east of the Kancamagus Pass. This impressive cliff can be seen easily from the Kancamagus Highway, but received few visits in the past due to stories of a fairly long approach and few known routes. This is changing though, as high quality routes have been recently put up and old classics rediscovered. The use of mountain bikes and a defined way in have shaved the approach times down so it is feasible to have a pleasant day trip. (edit- the way in from the north has been figured out - much faster and no bikes are used) Staying for the weekend will add the experience of sleeping under the huge protective overhang and waking to an incredible morning view away from the crowds, and give you time to scope the bountiful new route potential.

Matt Elliott on the flake
Matt Elliott on the flake

For the new routers, Greens offers the potential for many truly outstanding routes up to 300 feet long. The rock appears to be mostly very high quality with sweeping aesthetic features including long cracks, corners, roofs, moderate and fierce slabs, flake systems, steep overhanging jamb cracks, granite pockets and maybe even a potential for a few overhanging sport climbs. For those looking to do established lines, there is now a collection of high quality routes from 5.7 to 5.13.
Section of the Main Wall at Green's Cliff
Section of the Main Wall at Green's Cliff


The Walls
The Main Wall faces south east, so gets morning sun and has great views of Mt. Tremont and Owl's Cliff www.mountainproject.com/v/new_hampshire/owls_cliff/106752126 to the north east and to the south and south east, Mts. Tripyramid and Chocorua. To the left, past two slabs with no known routes but potential, is the area known as The West Wing, a large, tall shoulder of rock. The Wing's right side is The Alcove, a section of overhanging yellow rock tucked into the steep hillside, surrounded by tall hemlocks, with some dramatic aid lines that await freeing, like the wildly overhanging 357 crack. Around right of the Main Wall are the Northeastern Crags, a collection of mostly undeveloped walls overlooking the scenic Sawyer Pond basin, with great views of Owl's Cliff and north to Mount Washington. There are tons of potential crack climbs to do at the Northeastern Crags, including lots of offwidths and chimneys. It is a little far to go hauling crashpads, but there are quality boulders up to 25 ft tall scattered in the forest below the crags, especially below the Main Wall and the West Wing.
Around to the left, more facing south south west is the large, good quality Meadow Brook Slab. It is on the same formation but fairly distant and has a different approach. Chuck Woodman and others have put up routes here up to 3 pitches. (we need more info)


A Little History
There are references in Charles E. Beals' book 'Passaconaway in the White Mountains' to Greens being a popular destination for hunting or picnicking in the late 1800s, but I haven't found any mention of climbing at Greens until the 1928 AMC expedition lead by Lincoln O’Brien. They made at least one visit to the cliff, making it up 100 feet, “but were unable to find a route to the top of this magnificent cliff. No other route could be found; the smooth, massive slabs seemed impregnable” I’m not sure where they tried, but Justin Preisendorfer found old pins while climbing Fireside Crack. It seems the trail cut in by the Passaconaway Mountain Club that the AMC folks used was not long maintained, which probably put a damper on further attempts.

It wasn't until almost 50 years later that Jimmie Dunn and Michael Macklin most likely made the first full ascent, by way of the classic Stewart's Crack, in 1975. In 1993 John Strand and Gerry Lortie climbed the very difficult slab, Black Flies Consume Jim Dunn as a first pitch to a possible 3 pitch wild looking line, ground up and hand drilling free on the lead. Michael Hartrich and Matt Peer climbed the thin Ginsu Flake, without the bolts and got down by soloing off right to a brushy corner. In 1994 Ward Smith and Paula King explored in from the Sawyer pond. They didn't quite make it in to the Main Cliff, stopping instead after much thrashing about at one of the walls of the Eastern Crags, to put up perhaps the first route at Green's using the top down approach, Premarital Blisters, a great looking 5.11c thin face and crack line.

Later, Steve Dupuis, Aaron Rashaw, Jamal Lee-Elkin, Tim Martel and Justin Preisendorfer and others traveled out, making more regular visits, battled bears and, usually ground up, aided or freed a number of dramatic routes that just beg to be climbed when you see them, like the big second pitch flake system of Green Party and the 200 foot finger and hand crack Greenpeace, and the very steep jam crack, '357'. It then lay mostly quiet for a while.

In early spring 2010, after observing and wondering about Green's for many years while climbing at Owls, I finally skied and snowshoed over to check it out and was hooked by the beauty of the cliff and the new route potential. The year saw a flurry of activity. With the help of Dima Shirokov, Amy Colburn, David Powers, Matt Elliott, Randy Garcia and others, Greenpeace and Green Party both got freed, 8 new pitches were established and a bunch of new projects started.

2013 saw increased visits, with some notable ascents being the freeing of 357 by Conor Cliffe and Tom Draper and the bold ground up onsite first ascent of a line through the dramatic second and third pitch terrain above Black Flies... (still un-named) by Bayard Russell, Ray Rice and Cliffe. Also of note, after years of biking and hiking in the long way, a much shorter hike in from the north was found that avoided any horrible thrash, making Greens now barely an outback area, especially the Northeastern Crags, which can be reached in well under an hour by foot. As a result, climbing at the Northeastern Crags became much more feasible (Greens Light, as John Strand calls it) and seven quality new routes went in over there.


There is now a good collection of established routes available with lots of potential for more. If it was a bit closer to the road this area would likely be one of the main climbing destinations of New Hampshire. Luckily it isn't, so you can get away from the crowds and find top quality new lines to do. Imagine strapping your pack on and trekking out just long enough to feel like you were away from it all and arriving at a great collection of semi-backwoods granite crags, with an amount of rock approaching that of slightly smaller Cathedral, but before it was all developed. Top that with a great bivy spot, a very picturesque location and good, hearty, adventurous friends sharing a rope or a bottle of wine around the fire afterwards and you should get the picture of Greens. (We’ll forget being eaten alive because you came out in the wrong time of Spring and forgot your bug suit, ha ha)


Getting There 

Green's is somewhat in the middle of the White Mountains, not close to any particular paved road, so people have approached it from just about every direction of the compass, with varying results. Since approaches from the northwest were usually stymied by a band of horrendously thick spruce, for a while most came in from the Kancamagus or Bear Notch Rd, making use of mountainbikes along the forest roads to get within striking distance on foot. In case you are not in a hurry and want to try that way the directions are saved here www.mountainproject.com/v/107007381#a_108590236 Recently a good quick way in off of Sawyer Pond Tr. has been found that avoids the spruce band and doesn't require bikes. (It is also pretty scenic) If the Sawyer Pond Rd. gate is open, it is the way to go. If closed, than you are back to a multi-hour bike/ski and hike.

Drive south ~ 4 miles on the dirt Sawyer River Rd off of 302 all the way to the last gate. Park in the large clearing on the right. Continue on up the road on foot, past the gate a few hundred feet and take a left onto Sawyer Pond Trail, immediately crossing the river via the footbridge. Continue along the trail like you were going to the pond and in about 5 minutes you come to a second, smaller bridge (the boardwalk right after the first doesn't count). Leave the trail just before crossing this second bridge, cutting right into the woods, initially staying near the bank of the stream for maybe 50+ ft, then bearing away from it a little to follow a shallow drainage. It is important to be careful to not beat in a trail here or mark it. Lots of yahoos head into the pond and there is no sense in drawing them up to the crags to leave their poop and beer cans. Once you are familiar with the area try to go in and out a slightly different way off the Pond Trail and tread lightly.

Once in a few hundred feet, around N44.05243 W71.39998 look for a bit of flagging. You are pretty much heading directly south and then bending more SSE, up the shoulder of the wooded ridge. Along the way you will cross two overgrown skidder trails, making very short jogs on them to the left before resuming up the hill. Once up on the ridge you continue along it heading south, with some great views through the trees out over the very scenic Sawyer Pond basin, with cliffs all around. At around N44.04330 W71.39683 you will get to a boulder with a tree growing over it with a cairn on top that currently looks like a sombrero. Here is where you branch left or right for either the Northeastern Crags or the Main Wall and Alcove.

For the Northeastern Crags bear left then down a shallow coll and right, below the gradually growing cliff line that eventually becomes the Land of Cracks. (You would go down the coll and bear left instead to get to the base of The Knoll) Continuing right after coming down the mini coll, you will be traversing the hillside south for about 5 or 10 minutes until you see the obvious sharp arete of Bigfoot in front of you. It is about an hour from the car to bigfoot, 40 min if you hike fast.

For the Main Wall, instead of heading down the coll, you would bear to the right and generally continue snaking uphill along the ridge line above the Northeastern Crags. Once the trail tops out and begins to come down a little, you may see a few flags coming up the hill on the left from the Beanstalk Wall decent gully. Keep bearing right, around a little plateau, and you will be dropping down along below the right end of the Main Wall, passing through some boulders just before you get there. Figure an hour and a half from the car to the Main Wall, closer to an hour if you have it down and are fast. Add another 15-20 min to get over to the Alcove.


32 Total Routes


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The Classics

Mountain Project's determination of some of the classic, most popular, highest rated routes for Greens Cliff :
Stewart's Crack   5.9+ 5c 17 VI E1 5a PG13     Trad, 2 pitches, 190'   The Main Wall
Ginsu Flake   5.9+ 5c 17 VI E1 5a     Trad, 1 pitch, 60'   The Main Wall
Bull Run   5.10b 6a+ 19 VII- E2 5b     Trad, 1 pitch, 100'   The Main Wall
Blurry Eyes   5.10 6b 20 VII- E2 5b     Trad, 2 pitches, 160'   The Main Wall
Mountain Minor   5.10b/c 6b 20 VII E2 5b PG13     Trad, 2 pitches, 115'   The Northeastern Crags
I'm Still Here   5.10+ 6b+ 21 VII+ E3 5b     Trad, 2 pitches, 180'   The Main Wall
Green Party   5.11- 6c 22 VIII+ E3 5c PG13     Trad, 2 pitches, 195'   The Main Wall
Greenpeace   5.12a 7a+ 25 VIII+ E5 6a     Trad, 2 pitches, 200'   The Main Wall
Bigfoot was Here   5.12b 7b 26 VIII+ E5 6b     Trad, 1 pitch, 85'   The Northeastern Crags
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Featured Route For Greens Cliff
About to pull on ..err to the slab - climber: Todd Shaffer

I'm Still Here 5.10+ 6b+ 21 VII+ E3 5b  NH : Greens Cliff : The Main Wall
Fun varied climbing on 2 pitches, with a great view. The first pitch starts about 25 feet right of a large yellowish brown , right facing corner with a roof. Step off the bent birch tree on to an easy slab and mantle up onto an angling rail to clip the first bolt (spot or stick clip) Continue up and left past 2 more bolts to a thin crux on a headwall (foot sequence) that gets you to the bottom right side of the "mattress" flake. Plug a cam under it and layback up the right side until you can plu...[more]   Browse More Classics in NH

Photos of Greens Cliff Slideshow Add Photo
Two older alternative ways in to Green's (for when the Sawyer Pond gate is closed)
BETA PHOTO: Two older alternative ways in to Green's (for when...
Fun at Green's <br />- photo by Dmitriy Shirokov
Fun at Green's
- photo by Dmitriy Shirokov
Green's Cliff Overview - from the Kanc <br /> <br />
BETA PHOTO: Green's Cliff Overview - from the Kanc

MMM..hot cereal with mango, and fresh coffee to get the day started <br />Photo by Dima
MMM..hot cereal with mango, and fresh coffee to ge...
Some 2 pitch potential over at the Northeastern Crags <br />-photo by Christina Callaghan
Some 2 pitch potential over at the Northeastern Cr...
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By bayard russell jr
From: Madison, NH
May 27, 2010

This looks awesome, thanks for all the info from everyone.

By M Sprague
Administrator
From: New England
Oct 7, 2010

The weather for Green's is now available at www.climbingweather.com/New-Hampshire/Green's-Cliff

For some reaon clicking on the link does not work. You have to cut and past it into your browser.

By S. Neoh
Oct 7, 2010

This should allow you to get there directly -
www.climbingweather.com/New-Hampshire/Green%27s-Cliff

By M Sprague
Administrator
From: New England
Oct 7, 2010

Thanks, Soon. Now it is ready for the hordes to check before heading to Green's

By M Sprague
Administrator
From: New England
May 1, 2012

I hiked in the last two weekends from Bear Notch Rd with medium sized packs at a fairly leisurely pace and it only took about 2 1/2 hours in and I was actually more refreshed then biking. It is really nice to have the bike for the ride out though.

By twellman
Aug 13, 2012

Has anyone ever tried the approach from the sawyer pond trail? It looks like it would be a bit shorter, but perhaps from sawyer pond to the cliffs would be a bushwhack? Seems like this could be a good way to access the northeast crags.

By M Sprague
Administrator
From: New England
Aug 13, 2012

The bushwhacking is very thick. Amy C did it coming over the top of the ridge and said it was pretty horrendous and couldn't figure out where she could drop down....

Edit one year later - It turns out coming in from the north is the best way in (when the gate is open) The trick is to take Sawyer Pond trail towards the pond, but at the second bridge leave the trail and bushwhack south bearing a little east. You really don't want to get too far west as west of the ridge is covered by a half mile deep band of really thick spruce. If you know where you are going it is only 45 min to an hour from the car to Land of Cracks (NE Crags) and a bit over an hour to the Main Wall.

By john strand
From: southern colo
Aug 13, 2012

I don't know about the NE crags.. but approaching the main area from sawyer/zealand is a horroshow. you have NO idea where you are.

By M Sprague
Administrator
From: New England
Mar 12, 2013

I found mention that there was a trail to Green's put in by the Passaconway Mountain Club in the late 1920s in the 1931 AMC guide.
See Lost Hiking Trails That is most likely how the 1928 Lincoln O'Brien AMC party got in.

The Passaconway Mountain Club

Before that there were logging roads and narrow gauge railroads in the area, which people used to get close to Owls and Green's cliffs for hunting and picnicking. The fire ring under the overhang at Green's may very well have been made over a hundred years ago.