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By Doug Hemken
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Jul 12, 2013
On Everleigh Club Crack.  Photo by Burt Lindquist.

The difference between an Anasazi pictograph, or even names from early wagon trains, and this carved inscription is that Vegas was not an enormous city, expanding straight for the canyons, and there were not thousands of people in the Red Rock every day.

Without self-restraint, our best wild areas will lose their character.

This particular graffiti strikes me as landing in the gray zone. I'm not surprised there are people on both sides of this one. If it were back in the canyons, I hope more of us would be upset.


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By Dow Williams
From Saint George, UT
Jul 12, 2013
Dow Williams, 2011

I don't know of the gentleman in question. But many of us who make the wilderness our livelihood are actually quite sensitive to leaving our everyday surroundings the way we found them. It is egocentric for the human race to constantly leave memorials in my opinion, graveyard or otherwise. One's graffiti is another's memorial. Who has the moral compass to draw that line? Can't we all just accept our fate? Once you are gone, there are memories. Once those are gone that is it.

I understand folks in the city have a different perspective. It is all about making your mark. But Red Rock is a wilderness area. Albert Einstein preferred an "attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being."


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By Zappatista
Jul 12, 2013
Book me, officer.

Only two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not so sure of the former.

-----Albert Einstein


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By Sorden
From inside the Bubble, Colorado
Jul 15, 2013
~Here to party~

Stich wrote:
I'm glad you like how that memorial was done. :-)


Always been curious, if you don't mind please, who was Angus?

Thanks!


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By Morgan Patterson
Administrator
Jul 15, 2013
Stoked...

M Sprague wrote:
Remembering a friend, history - all good, but isn't there a better way?


Well if you asked the Ragged Mountain Foundation here in CT they would say placing a large metal plaque at the base of the most famous climb on their cliff despite a strict no fixed protection clause and ardent opposition to any changes from the natural state of the cliff (even fixed top anchors to help save the cliff from climber impacts). It's funny but I often find these engraved/fixed memorials hypocritical because what was loved was altered to remember the other. I really like the Angus stone above... works on many levels.

Jim Adair
Jim Adair


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By Gregger Man
Jul 15, 2013
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Sorden wrote:
Always been curious, if you don't mind please, who was Angus? Thanks!


link


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By Cindy Mitchell
Jul 15, 2013
Racking up for the 3rd pitch of Ruper

Glad some of you like the memory rock for Angus. In answer to the question, "who was Angus"? He was my fiancee and died while climbing Anthill on Redgarden Wall 10-21-2004. Freak accident, he was strangled by his gear sling.

Me, Tim Stich and Chris Hussy took the rock up to the little alcove I found about a year after Angus died. It took me that long to learn how to climb. Its sorta on the walk off for the Naked Edge (or so I'm told, I've never climbed it and will never be strong enough to do so).

I'm always delighted to hear when someone discovers this piece of stone that was lovingly provided by one of Angus' partners.


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By Sorden
From inside the Bubble, Colorado
Jul 16, 2013
~Here to party~

Thank you Cindy,
I just spent the morning reading all the posts I could find about "Angus." I managed to fight back tears until I read your daughter Brittney's words about how much he loved you. I feel a profound sadness for your loss and the chill I'm sure every climber would have reading his accident report. That you learned to climb over the year following his passing so you could place his memorial block in a special place up high; well, I imagine Angus would've smiled on that.
Kindest regards,
Brian from Boulder


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By Tristan Higbee
From Thailand
Jul 16, 2013
Me on a mixed route Crisco and I did in Rock Canyon.

Here's a small memorial on the South Ridge of Mt. Superior in Utah. It's partway up the ridge, and you have to be a climber (or at least an adventurous scrambler) to see it. I thought it was nicely done.

Memorial on the S. Ridge of Mt. Superior
Memorial on the S. Ridge of Mt. Superior


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By Mark Limage
Jul 25, 2013

What's the matter Karsten? You getting bored over there in Sacramento? Given the amount of time you have spent in Red Rock, you should know that Red Rock is not a State Park. And if anybody has any videos of Vegas hoodrats TR'ing their way up routes to scratch out memorials to honor victims of a drive-by shootings, well, please share. Cultures collide.

As much as I appreciate folks sharing their various memorials to fallen climbers on this thread, I'm not really sure what the intent of your post is...other than to dispel your clueless image of a "hoodrat" TR'ing the 1st pitch of the GRB.

The answer to the question you pose is both. It's graffiti and it's history. Pretty simple. Another bonus of your thread though, you have made Dow Williams and SirChips-A-Lot look like a couple of Einsteins. Bravo.


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By Zappatista
Jul 25, 2013
Book me, officer.

Mark Limage wrote:
a couple of Einsteins.


Given my expansive pomposity, I'd prefer being compared to Feynman. The irony here is that he was the sole freethinker capable of putting two and two together and figuring out that the Challenger shuttle blew up because of faulty O-rings, much like yourself, from the sound of it.

And that's a wrap!


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By Weston L
From Summerlin, NV
Jul 25, 2013
Me at the good rest on Doggie Do


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